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ruveyn
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| John_Browning wrote: |
That list is outdated. They don't do much to advance science and culture now, and muslims in the few places that still do donate money to terrorists. |
Not nearly as much these days as in former times (about 800 years ago). But they sure have changed the looks of down-town Manhattan, wouldn't you say?
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techstepgenr8tion
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Going on the recent Fr. Hood story - this guy, Major Hassan, was flamboyant, really flamboyant, in the entire time he was working at the base. He has blogs about his thoughts. He was at a psychologists meeting where relevant topics on issues in the psychology field and research were to be discussed - he used that time to talk about how he believed that the heathen infadel should have their heads cut off and burning oil be poured down their throats. There was another Muslim psychologist in that room who raised his hand and said - 'I've read the Koran, I am a practicing Muslim - what your talking about is absolute lunacy', the guy just shut up and stared him down at that point.
In other words - Hassan should not have been a surprise, just that the military felt like they had no way of doing anything about him being there without of course a huge pain from the ACLU.
Also, the guy in Bin Laden Triplecross, the guy who was involved in the plot to assassinate Anwar Sadat, who ended up on a military base somehow in Georgia as a consultant on Islamic affairs - also spouted similar radical Islamic gibberish, he had an integral part in understanding the Sky Marshall program, knew where they would be seated, and he not only trained Al Qaeda in Afghanistan but also trained the 9/11 terrorists on how to hijack the plains, how to sneak weapons on board, and yes - where the sky marshals were and how to deal with them. Eight years and one Patriot Act later and we find out that we're still overlooking what's in plain daylight.
The number of either semi-secular Muslims or Muslims who don't believe in this crap is large enough however that I can't think of a single reason why they should be discriminated against. The government keeping an eye on things that are suspect - I'm fine with that, if they have any sense of efficiency in how they do their job the FBI/CIA will not mess with law abiding citizens for simply being of a particular religion. The U.S. has had good luck in terms of not having many domestic Islamic terrorists for two reasons - a) if any priest or cleric in any church is preaching overthrow of the government they're dragged off to jail and b) Muslims aren't a shut-out minority here, we welcome and assimilate them much more so than many of the other countries that have imported them as cheap labor. For Muslims who were more freedom loving and left Sharia based countries because they couldn't stand the culture, society, etc. - America is probably one of the best places if not the best place for them when it comes to opportunity and acceptance into a culture that thinks similarly to themselves. |
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Friskeygirl
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Guys like whisky belong back in the darkages, I don't understand why jerks like this are tolerated here or
any forum, I am so sick of the raciest and sexist hate spewed here, it makes the AS community look bad.
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number5
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Aimless wrote: | | My parent's always told me that racism came from ignorance and fear, damned if they weren't right on that one. |
True words of wisdom, and good parenting. |
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John_Browning
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| number5 wrote: | | Aimless wrote: | | My parent's always told me that racism came from ignorance and fear, damned if they weren't right on that one. |
True words of wisdom, and good parenting. |
True words of wisdom and good parenting can easily be undone by coming into regular contact with said races, or in the case of the muslims, what our soldiers contact with the local "noncombatants" was like.
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racooneyes
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Do we want Whiskeyinthejar in our western nations? No.
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MathGirl
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There are different forms of Islam, and only one of the forms is the one even remotely connected with murder. Islam does not encourage murder. The word "Islam" stands for "peace". Additionally, the religion itself does not follow what is said in the Quran; it is more influenced by the culture of the Muslims from different regions. Hence, different forms of Islam.
Please do not generalize about Islam. Nowhere in the Quran is murder encouraged. It's a sin. Even drinking alcohol and modifying one's own body in any way is a sin according to the Quran.
Please do your research before coming to these conclusions. And not from secondary sources, particularly the mass media, but from the Quran itself and from scholarly articles/essays/books/lectures about Islam.
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Jacoby
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| I don't want anyone here that is against our western values and is unwilling to assimilate while expecting us to accommodate them. That's not a generalizing statement towards muslims either, I know that majority of Muslim Americans are good people. The statement goes for any prospective American of any race, creed, or nationality. |
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Keith
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Considering the world is round. Saying "Western" is a bit misleading. In any direction without turning, you WILL end up where you started. To the west of the US is Japan. To the west of Asia is Europe. etc etc.
It is only the timezone that really decides where the centre is. North could very well be the point at which the earth is closest to the sun on its curve.
I feel the right to defend my Muslim friends. This type of thread is just hate based in the beginning |
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John_Browning
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Keith wrote: | Considering the world is round. Saying "Western" is a bit misleading. In any direction without turning, you WILL end up where you started. To the west of the US is Japan. To the west of Asia is Europe. etc etc.
It is only the timezone that really decides where the centre is. North could very well be the point at which the earth is closest to the sun on its curve.
I feel the right to defend my Muslim friends. This type of thread is just hate based in the beginning |
Western as in western hemisphere, which is clearly defined on a globe. Muslims (and some other ethnic groups for that matter) in that clearly defined western hemisphere of the globe need to either assimilate or leave.
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Friskeygirl
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What gives you the right too say such trash John, you can't be saying sh** like that and expect anyone with a reasonalbe sane mind to agree with that, get out of the stone age
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Orwell
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| MathGirl wrote: | | Islam does not encourage murder. |
It encourages murder of enemies, and orders murder of apostates (people who leave Islam).
| Quote: | | The word "Islam" stands for "peace". |
A popular misconception. The word "Islam" means submission (to Allah). Muslims (Muslim means "one who submits" (to Allah)) claim that this submission to Allah gives them peace.
| Quote: | | Additionally, the religion itself does not follow what is said in the Quran; it is more influenced by the culture of the Muslims from different regions. |
Most Muslims would take great offense to this claim.
| Quote: | | Please do not generalize about Islam. |
Is that not what you have been doing?
To respond to the OP: I have a problem with the segment of Islam that wishes to subjugate the world. This is not just the jihadists; Islam is very actively proselytizing and wishes to gain as many converts as possible. I disapprove of several aspects of Islamic culture which I view as inimical to a liberal Western culture centered around individual freedom. But any Muslims who can live in peace with their Christian, Jewish, Hindu, and atheist neighbors are more than welcome in my book.
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TheOddGoat
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Islam isn't a race... You choose whether to be a muslim or not.
The only example I know where the religion's followers and the majority race have the same name is with Jews. You can be non-jewish race and follow judaism and be a jew. But you can also be of jewish race and not follow judaism and be a jew.
If you don't follow islam you aren't still of the muslim race if you were born to muslim race parents because there is no muslim race.
It is actually racist that you consider muslim to be a race if you are referring to arabs.
| MathGirl wrote: | | The word "Islam" stands for "peace". |
Actually, it is a corruption of "salaam" which means "peace"... So technically Islam stands for the corruption of peace 
But proof by etymology is pretty obnoxious.
Left handed people are evil because "sinister" comes from the latin "sinestra" which meant "left"! |
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ruveyn
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| MathGirl wrote: | | There are different forms of Islam, and only one of the forms is the one even remotely connected with murder. Islam does not encourage murder. The word "Islam" stands for "peace". |
Islam means submission to the will of God. It does not mean peace. The history of Islam is full of war, conquest, death, cruelty and slavery. The only folks left in the world practicing chattel slavery today are Muslims.
Islam is a religion and culture that dearly needs to be de-toxified. Christianity, by and large is adapted to the modern secular order of the world. Judaism was de-toxified by 2000 years of exile and Jews getting the sh*t beaten out of them. Islam is yet to be de-toxified.
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Aimless
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| TheOddGoat wrote: |
Islam isn't a race... You choose whether to be a muslim or not.
The only example I know where the religion's followers and the majority race have the same name is with Jews. You can be non-jewish race and follow judaism and be a jew. But you can also be of jewish race and not follow judaism and be a jew.
If you don't follow islam you aren't still of the muslim race if you were born to muslim race parents because there is no muslim race.
It is actually racist that you consider muslim to be a race if you are referring to arabs.
| MathGirl wrote: | | The word "Islam" stands for "peace". |
Actually, it is a corruption of "salaam" which means "peace"... So technically Islam stands for the corruption of peace
But proof by etymology is pretty obnoxious.
Left handed people are evil because "sinister" comes from the latin "sinestra" which meant "left"! |
Surely you can get the larger point without etymological loopholes. |
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