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Jacaen
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| subliculous wrote: | | oh jesus, no. but i WILL say this though: NT's refer to me in third person right in front of me as though i'm not there. that sends me into a silent rage. |
They do that to me too  |
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ryan93
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I refer to myself most of the time as "We", I don't have DID or anything but I feel like more of a "we" than "me" if that makes sense :lol: |
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gramirez
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I've never heard of any correlation to autism and "third-person speaking". It's probably the general ignorant misconception of "Autism = Retarded".
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sartresue
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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In the matter of the third person topic
I have been a mother for almost 36 years and I have been referring to myself as someone's mother for that long. A habit of mind, of mine.
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ColdBlooded
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| ColdBlooded occasionally speaks in the third-person, but that's just when ColdBlooded joking around.. Not actually confusing the language. |
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Acacia
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Well, I actually often refer to myself in the second-person.
As in: "You this" and "You that" and "You so forth and so on"....
Like I were outside of myself, addressing myself, directly.
Every once in a while I will talk about myself in the third-person.
This usually happens when I am off on one of my solitary monologues, talking to myself, out loud.
The bottom line here is that, YES; I demonstrate an odd sense of self-perspective.
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Tantybi
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| elderwanda wrote: | | Tantybi wrote: | I usually don't refer to myself in 3rd person except lately I now call myself the mom or the mommy to my kids (ages 1 and 2).
Once years ago before I had kids I was in basic training for the Air Force, and in the dining facility (chow hall), they had what they called the "snake pit" where a bunch of TI's (drill sgts) sit, eat and randomly pull "trainees" aside to haze a bit (but it's not hazing because that's illegal). So, once I got called a couple weeks before graduation, and I didn't have a piece of paper I was supposed to have on me at all times. And in the midst of being nervous about what happens if you don't have that piece of paper and in fear that these guys were going to seriously make it into a big deal (as they did verbally at that time, but not like got me trouble), I answered one of their questions in 3rd person. Then this one asked if there were two of me and made a big deal about it. Every time he saw me after that, he kept asking me how the two of us were doing. So then graduation comes around and my mom comes in town to watch it, and I get my first free hours away from it all to go wherever I wanted to go. So my mom and I went to a restaurant along the riverwalk, and I hadn't had real food with more than 2 minutes to eat for a very long time, so I ordered and ate a lot. The last time through the dining facility, I ran into that one TI again and he asked what I did and where I went with my mom. I told him. Then he asked if I ordered extra food for my other self, and I told him actually, I kinda did since I had 3 appetizers, 2 entrees, and 2 desserts. |
Ha ha! I was in AF basic training in 1985, and I vividly remember the "snake pit"! I was never actually called forward, but I lived in fear of it. As you will remember, you have to have your hat ON when you are outside, and OFF when you are inside. Whenever I was finished eating, and was in the act of walking out the door and putting my hat on, this one TI would rush over and get into the doorway with me. If my hat was on my head but I was still inside, he'd give me he**. If my hat was off, and I was outside, same thing. If I was stood in the doorway struggling nervously with my hat, he'd glare into my eyes and say all kinds of things to make me even more nervous. However--I actually kind of remember all that with a bit of fondness. He was doing his job, and none of that was personal. Also, stressful as it was, basic training was one of the only times in my life when I actually knew what I was supposed to be doing every minute of the day. (Still got in trouble for not folding my duffel bag fast enough and perfectly enough.) |
That's funny. I remember some officer got on my husband (who was my boyfriend at the time) for the hat thing in the dining facility at our first duty station. My husband just put it on like 4 feet early, and he flipped. In basic, I got a hard time for my hair getting messed up because of the hat. They'd ask me if I let a chicken dance on my head and told me I was out of uniform. I eventually found the best thing for the hair for females under that hat was ProStyle gel (in the ethnic hair section at Walmart). I personally liked basic training. It was relaxing to have someone do all the thinking for you. I didn't even have to worry about when to pee because they told me. I slept better there too. I kinda wish I could sleep on that bunk again with all the military issued bedding just for old times sake. I wonder if I could find those blankets at an army surplus store. Anyway, I couldn't fold my t-shirt. They issued us the really cheap ones that kept stretching in some parts and shrinking in others, so it wasn't easy to work with. My TI had me tweezing for hours and i still had to have other people do it for me when it came time for inspections. My husbands shirts he got were decent. I would be able to fold those easy. His TI made them buy and use Sofee shirts too, but the crap he got before buying those was better than what I got.
Oh, and my TI, he didn't bother me at all. He got in my face once, and I finally drew the courage to make eye contact which it was then that I realized he was just as afraid as I was. Then that scared him because of course when I noticed, the fear left my eyes quickly and then I just had a feel sorry for him type of look. Then he kept up in my face, so then I turned it into a flirty thing without being too obvious (what else am I going to do when a man's face is right in mine and our lips are like inches apart). Being that he was married and new at that job, he avoided me from that point on. Though, I do suspect he wondered how far I would have gone with that. |
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Tantybi
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After reading some posts, I realize I do both the WE thing and the YOU thing. Like when I talk to myself, I say we all the time. But that habit didn't really start until after I was pregnant with my first child. But for whatever reason, I have a hard time stopping it now.
The YOU, I tend to do that here (in times when I'm typing without much editing). Like if I'm telling a story about myself, I'm good. But, if I start getting into philosophy at all, then the you's start popping out. I worry because sometimes I mean you to be I, sometimes I mean it to be the world or people in general, and sometimes I mean it to be you all, and sometimes I mean it to be you specifically, and whoever is reading it generally will have a small clue to what I mean with context, but it's not always so obvious and I worry because my you for the world in general might be mean and someone might wonder if I meant that about them and take it wrong. |
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If I'm tired, or if a conversation is in any way overwhelming, I tend to refer to myself in the third person. With tiredness, it's because being tired scrambles my word-retrieval, so my pronoun usage is messed up. If the conversation is overwhelming, it's partly because the overwhelmingness screws up my word retrieval, and partly a distancing thing.
Occasionally, also, statements about myself will be made in the 3rd person; usually if it's something that I haven't said about myself before. I don't know why this is.
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Danielismyname
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She is probably referring to people with language problems, who are usually referred to as "autistic" by many psychiatrists, whereas those with AS aren't. Many with Autism retain their delay of language ability into adulthood and its associated quirks, even if they have reasonably ok expressive speech.
I know I spoke in third person as a child [when I did], and if you speak to me personally now, you'll find that I refer to myself as Daniel often instead of the pronoun "I".
A remnant of my language problems (it's just more comfortable). |
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serenity
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I made a thread about this a long time ago here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt44555.html
I think that referring to self in the third person is more of something that's associated with Classic/Kanner's autism. My 7 y/o never once used the words I, me, or my before he was 4 in a half yrs old. It was always "Nathaniel want juice." and when his language picked up around the age of 4 he began to use pronouns, but got those mixed up, too. He'd say something like "you need help" when he was really meaning "I need help". He still gets pronouns mixed up from time to time now, but he seldom ever refers to himself in third person now. I do know that third person usage, and pronoun reversal is something that doctors really look for when diagnosing kids. The doctor that diagnosed my son said out loud when he made these language errors that she was baiting him into conversations to where he'd have to use those words to see how he'd say them. I think she really struggled to figure out where on the spectrum he was, and what exactly to diagnose him with. It was obvious that he was autistic, but the language struggles really sealed the deal for her that he couldn't be diagnosed with AS. Though, I do remember my parents saying that I referred to myself in third person a lot when I was under the age of 5. They had no idea about autism. They just thought that I had an odd imagination, and named an imaginary friend after myself. |
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richardbenson
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| i dont know, ive never referd to myself in the third person. i probably more than likely repeat myself however my favorite person who talks in the third person is defintley rickey henderson |
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darby54
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| serenity wrote: | | I think that referring to self in the third person is more of something that's associated with Classic/Kanner's autism. My 7 y/o never once used the words I, me, or my before he was 4 in a half yrs old. It was always "Nathaniel want juice.".... |
I did this too at that age. Thanks for your informative post. Is this type of language thing also considered an Asperger trait? Or just Kanner's? |
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Homer_Bob
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| I have never knew or seen any people in my life talk in the third person. I hate it though, it sounds so stupid and annoying. The last time I saw someone talk in the third person was on an episode of Seinfeld called "The Jimmy" where Jimmy talked in the 3rd person. |
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fiddlerpianist
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| ryan93 wrote: | I refer to myself most of the time as "We", I don't have DID or anything but I feel like more of a "we" than "me" if that makes sense  |
Hah, I do this occasionally, though it's usually by accident. It sort of slips out, and then I realize that it doesn't make any sense and so I correct myself. No idea why I do that.
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