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Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt?
Posted on Wednesday, November 28 @ 09:45:30 EST by
Social Skills Dear Aspie:
"I'm a 20 year old guy with Asperger's who'd really like to have some kind of romantic relationship, but I'm finding a lot of barriers in my path and I wonder if you could shed some light on my situation. I'm utterly at a loss to understand how to flirt... The suggestions I've been given set off alarm bells in my head of intrusive behavior and being otherwise imposing or even creepy, despite being told point blank that it's what I need to do.

I hardly need to tell you that sending "signals" of any kind is often difficult for people with Asperger's, and I'm no exception. Do you have any advice on how to learn to flirt, so I can stop (apparently) blindsiding women and start approaching them the way they expect to be approached?"
-Zaq

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Dear Zaq:

I'll tell you a secret. Most NTs (I am not one, but I have a lot of friends who are) have exactly the same problem you have. A romantic relationship takes time. You don't try to get deeply involved with a girl on the first date. If you pick the right person (and that is really hard and it takes time) you won't have to "flirt." Especially if you're meeting women online, or going to bars it's really hard, and single women who go to bars usually aren't looking for a dating relationship.

You need to get yourself into a situation where you see and talk to the same girl again and again (I don't mean be pushy about it). School is a good place. Wrong Planet is a good, safe, online place, and church clubs are a good place. Flirting isn't the important part of a relationship anyway. Getting to know the other person so they want to be with you is more important.

Being a good listener is more important. Sometimes asking a girl about herself, and then sitting back and listening for an hour with an occasional question that's on the topic that she's talking about is a good technique. Women have the same fears as men (well, a little different, but basically the same), and there is no "right approach" to a woman, because not all women are the same.

And, if after all of this, on about the third date, you tell her you have feelings for her (and you really have to have feelings for her....it can't just be a line), and she says "get lost," or something like that, then smile, walk away, and start again. There are lots of women out there. I'd say the same thing if this letter were from a woman. (and if you read some of the forums on WP, you'll see that some women are just as concerned about meeting people as you are). You will not win every time. But it only takes one "yes."

- BeenThereDoneThat



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Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by Berserker Wednesday, November 28 @ 20:28:10 EST
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Jeeze, it's not like love is needed in life.



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by frenzy Sunday, December 09 @ 17:58:23 EST
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I have read several comments with great interest and would like to ask you something. I do not have asperger, but a friend who I have just gotten to know does. He hasnt had ist diagnosed but it seems to run in the family and he knows a lot about it and seems to cope quite well. For me it has been quite difficult to understand his way of thinking and the relationship we are trying to build is rather complicated. He says himself he doesnt think it will work but I dont know whether to believe him and accept his decision or whether he is saying so because he thinks I am unsure now that I know of his condition and know that a relationship wouldnt be easy. He says for example that he wouldnt want to "burden" anyone with a person like himself. It is a big help to me to hear from others that share his condition so that I can learn how to behave. I would like to help him but I dont know how, I dont want to be a nuisance. Because it is difficult for him to express his feelings it is difficult for me to react. His mind works logically and I rely a lot on feelings. I wonder if anyone has some good advice for me, I would much appreciate it!



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by Aurore Friday, December 07 @ 11:55:18 EST
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I think its ok to flirt, just remember to be at least three feet away from whoever you're courting when you first approach and whatever you do no matter how hard it is LOOK THEM IN THE EYE...I have so much trouble with this but you need to. Don't do it obsessively though, or you'll seem creepy.



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by caramateo Sunday, December 02 @ 21:39:12 EST
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Flirting is done to get the others attention. there's many ways to get attention, if you're an aspie I suggest not trying flirting. try on-line dating, frienships, or anything else, but leave flirting for NT's



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by TheSmilingGoat Monday, December 03 @ 23:24:09 EST
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iv noticed recently that i can be quit the flirter but my problem is that i usaly dont relise im flirting and when i try to flirt on perpose i draw a blank



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by sands Friday, December 14 @ 19:06:27 EST
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I think women have the same problem. We either come on to strong or don't even break through barriers guys have. Getting to know someone and getting them to like you is really good advice. I know the person I am most attracted to is someone I've known for several months. I do flirt with him, but he has aspergers and tells me it makes him uncomfortable. Oh what's a girl to do????



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by HereComesTheRain Tuesday, December 25 @ 10:03:15 EST
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I'm AS and I date a lot. I can tell you that you're going about it the wrong way. You don't try to "want" to date, you just let dating happen to you. If you "want" it, you look desperate and you scare women away. When you're in a social situation, just make sure to sit around and just be yourself. Actually, no, scratch that. Be the BEST self you can be. Which means if you're a braniac (like most aspies) you could bring something like a handheld computer or a Nintendo DS with you and play Brain Age or something. Don't use a smartphone because smartphones have become "bling" toys. The wrong kind of people are attracted to "bling". A lot of the right kinds of girls are turned on by guys that are smart and to themselves (Much like the right kind of guy is turned on by the smart, sensible type of woman) so nerd it up! Also, take up an adrenaline filled hobby that involves a lot of technical details. Mountain biking, kayaking or martial arts such as hapkido, hwarangdo or jujitsu are all hobbies a lot of women would think would be cool if you were interested in them. (However, if you do take martial arts, avoid karate and taekwondo like the plague unless it's a Karate-jutsu school or an International Taekwondo Federation school.) If you're not that athletically inclined, take up a hobby like cell phone and computer repair. That's a very useful skill and hobby to have as almost everybody these days has a computer or a cell phone. Think about it this way. Would you be interested in a girl who sits around the house watching anime and eating Cheetos and never goes out of the house or would you rather be interested in a girl that likes to go out, have adventures, know how to fix things in a pinch, would know different languages and would always keep you on the edge of your seat? If you said the former, then you're lying to yourself.



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by EnglishLulu Wednesday, December 19 @ 08:30:55 EST
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There was a great series on British television a while back called 'Would Like to Meet' and they'd take a single person and introduce them to three experts who would help them get back into dating. One person would look at their wardrobe and give them a bit of a makeover, another person would build up their confidence and self-esteem and get to the bottom of why it was a problem and what was stopping them, and the third expert, my favourite, was a woman who taught them flirting techniques, a lot of it is about body language and facial expressions (skills we Aspies tend to lack). The body language and flirting expert is called Tracey Cox. She sells some books through her website or you can probably get them on Amazon or elsewhere: http://www.traceycox.com



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Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by Neuromancer Thursday, July 17 @ 21:21:03 EDT
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I don't reaaly know how to do it, anyway, if you enter a gymnasium and make a lot of exercises girls you love you, and you won't need to be a flirt expert, women will do themselves this hole, you can be sure of it.



How to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by penny07960 Friday, June 13 @ 10:56:36 EDT
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I sympathize – the line between “nice” and “creepy” is a thin one that many NTs have trouble with. While this may not be directly helpful, it tends to be a bit abstract, I’ll try to describe some characteristics of a successful approach. I’ll limit the perspective to a woman’s view of being approached. “Coolness” is a big plus. This consists of several components, but I believe that the most important are: a) Confidence - being at ease in your own skin. If you are uncomfortable, feel out-of-place, “don’t really want to be here”, this is communicated to your potential date. This makes her feel uncomfortable. So pick your venue and time to make yourself most at-ease. That could be at a jazz concert, in a library or just walking in a park. Do NOT pick a bar as your hunting ground if you see that as a high-pressure, alien setting. You will stand out as the sore thumb. b) Humor – a guy with a sense of humor has a huge advantage. Humor does NOT mean making jokes. It means having the ability to see irony in daily life and laugh at it rather than getting uptight. While faking a sense of humor is non-productive, what humor you have will be better displayed in a relaxed setting. c) A sharable interest in the world around you (whether it be in music, dance, painting, architecture, politics, literature, nature, wine tasting, … there are hundreds of areas). While many of us have intense interests in arcane areas (e.g., virology) this is not a good choice as it is almost certain that the randomly selected target of your interest will not happen to share this. If you love jazz, there is probably no better place to meet a girl than at a jazz venue. Right off the bat you have a common interest that can be discussed for hours. “I have a large collection of classic jazz CDs at home – my favorites are…” is a non-creepy lead-in to inviting her to your place. In contrast, “I have 136 model airplanes – would you like to see them?” is not. I do not believe that any girl wants to see this collection. It stands out as a transparent ploy. “General/broad” interests tend to be sharable. “Specific/narrow” interests do not. d) Passion! A guy who speaks with energy, interest and a love of subject is interesting to me even if I have little interest in the subject itself. However, there is a difference between a “love of subject” and an obsession with a subject. The first includes others, the second excludes. e) An iota of modesty! “I’m the CEO of CrapoTech Inc”, “I’m the brightest guy they have on the team”, “if it weren’t for me that company would go nowhere” all scream “narcissistic jerk!!” There is a nice story to demonstrate this; unfortunately I don’t recall the precise details. The head of R&D at Bell Labs would go to parties. When women asked him what he did, he would respond “I’m in charge of research at Bell Labs! We develop a wide range…” and after politely listening for a couple of minutes, they would excuse themselves and wander off. From experience he learned that a much better response was “I work for the phone company… what do you do?”



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by SquishypuffDave Thursday, April 24 @ 20:00:28 EDT
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The best advice I've ever heard on starting (or maintaining) a relationship is this: You can make more friends in a week by becoming interested in other people than you can in a month by trying to make other people interested in you. I suggest becoming friends first. If it really is the woman of your dreams then the better you know her, the more you will like her. Once you know each other, then you should express your feelings. Relationships aren't ever created through flirting alone. In fact it isn't even really neccesary.



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by SirGIBaLOT Monday, March 31 @ 18:07:42 EDT
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Hi, I'm new to these forums. I'm 21/M/UK and have the very strong possibility of having AS. I have family friends with AS and i also attended Spec' Ed' for Dyslexia (which i doubt i actually have). It's a shame that so many of you guys that have had a diagnosis just give up on the whole dating issue. I personally hate the word dating because it implies you don't really make a real connection, just that you had to meet some one at X location for Y activity at Z time. I believe that AS is a gift. I'm so much smarter than everyone else i know. I have more capacity for a fulfilling life because of said intelligence. I'm articulate and possibly even eloquent. My issues are to do with the 'unspoken' social dynamics of life. No one teaches you how to deal with society. You have to either learn of just fit in naturally. I've had a handful of long-term relationships that one might consider 'traumatic'. My GFs used to pick on me because of the disparity between my perceived intelligence and my cumbersome social interactions. They just could understand why someone who was so smart could act like a complete R'tard. Most of my GFs where 'vertically challenged' and by that i mean that they were short. I'm 6ft, dark hair, blue eyes and have been told that I'm very attractive by close friends. Remember this because i will explain it's relevance in the coming paragraphs paragraph. I have read men's magazines (and women's!) to try and better understand what makes a woman (or a man, lets be fair) attracted to someone. All of which give a very poor representation of peoples true desires. I gave up on trying to learn for popular culture. Pop cultures is total BS. I use Facebook to stay in contact with my friends and was trolling about to see if i could witness any flirting going on between my friends and strangers. It was very interesting to see how it was exactly people developed rapport so rapidly. I have also been watching a program in the UK called "The Real Hustle" which features scamming techniques that rely on creating a situation, using common psychology and confidence tricks. Derran Brown, who is also on British T.V. also uses similar techniques to make people believe in a certain outcome in a given scenario. Same goes for these "Psychic Readers" you see on T.V. I was very interested in learning more about this. I found out about something called Neuro-Linguistic Programming and started to look for discussions on the subject. What i found out is that these people are masters of body language and suggestive commentary. They may or may not have a natural talent for their profession. It is also something that can be learned. I was keen to learn more so as to overcome my problems with knowledge of how to make the right impression on people and maintain it. If i can follow what some may describe as a 'protocol' for social activity then i could take the bite out of my downright quirkiness. I'm always conscience of the fact i don't know what the hell my body language is affecting others. Then to top it off when my body language has been acknowledged, i get very mixed messages about what other people's body language is trying to tell me. Then the other month i was watching a T.V. channel called CurrentTV (Also airs in the US) and saw a 'pod' on PUA (Pick Up Artists). It was more of a reaction to a best selling book (Neil Strauss: The Game) than a informative glance at PUAs. I did a Wiki and had a Google and found a rather interesting website for PUAs. Some of the techniques they employ i don't really agree with (the use of gimmicks such as palm reading, etc) but some of the information on what peoples body language tells you about what a person is thinking and/or saying. It emphasizes a 'no regrets' policy of just acting on that impulse and just going for it. The more you think about what you doing the more time you have to think about negative outcomes. It's about knowing how to open a conversation with positive, open body language. I have found it breathtaking! It has given me so much insight into peoples behavior. Some of it is about womens subconscious expectations of men and how to change to situation with things called "Social Proofs". These are basically indicators of your social status and women are very receptive to these. These can, in the right situation, do all the talking for you. One thing i have learned is to just shut the hell up. Even though it is sometimes very irritating to not be able to express your self in detail. Rather than giving the wrong message with random facts, anecdotes and observations just be happy in the silence. Smiling is important here. I love it when people smile so i try and smile as much as possible. As hard as it may seem, regular eye contact will entice a female into seeing you a viable male. Now this is only the first step into a very complex world of interactions. You just have to stick at it and eventually you will succeed. I must add DON'T BUY HER ANYTHING STRAIGHT AWAY, NOT EVEN A DRINK OR COFFEE. If you do so then you give the sub-conscience message that you are supplicating for sex (begging for it). In my experience giving people things can open you up to exploitation. I'm not saying don't buy anything. But if you are unsure of the situation, don't throw cash at it. I've had girls lead me along and just take me for a ride. This caused me to have a fear of approaching girls. Get rid of that fear. Fear is the mind killer. If a woman asks you to buy something just remind her that you not going to do it for nothing or possible tell her to buy you a drink! Be polite and you never know! This part is about self-worth, not being selfish. Look after No.1 and No.1 will look after you! Unfortunately the underlying psychology of women hasn't change much since the dawn of man. Women are just as hard-wired for sex as men. You just need to know which buttons to press. Persistence is key. Just keep trying and eventually you will get results. Every time you manage to get to having a intimate relationship it will be a masterpiece of sheer determination and persistence. Having worked so hard to accomplish something feels so good. If anyone is interested in the website and materials i have give me a PM. I noticed that one member of this form has posted a guide which is centered around being a "alpha-male". This is a theme often found on the website i discovered but i disagree with the notion of being "alpha" and "beta". I agree with asserting you needs and that is something both sexes need help with. Unfortunately it is focused on getting women to like you (it doesn't matter if your male or female). I can't really comment for girls but i can say that men want, they want it bad. Don't be choosy with looks. Good looking men are sh## in bed because the don't need to put in any effort to get laid. It's the guys who put blood, sweat and tears into it that deliver the goods. They provide women with the most fulfilling relationships. I hope this has shed some light on the matter!



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by auroch Friday, February 08 @ 00:08:30 EST
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Could I possibly have come across as any more of a complete and utter egotistical, head up my bum, know it all, idiot? Shame I can't delete my posts. I've likely offended many people in this discussion with my over confidence and belittling of other people's advice to Zaq. I must apologize, profusely, as I have obviously done more damage than good here. Sorry guys. Please forgive my complete ignorance of everyone else's wish to help Zaq while I put a lid on my blind normie babblings.



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by auroch Thursday, February 07 @ 09:46:08 EST
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Oh, my, me... If poor Zaq listens to most everything advised in this discussion he is likely going to be single for the rest of his life! Ask her where she got her shoes? Compliment the crap out of her? The three feet rule? CRIKEY! It doesn't sound like Zaq needs to learn how to flirt to me. I hope your reading this Zaq: "Be yourself" is the most common good advice but I bet you've probably heard it a thousand times over and it's not doing you any good yet, right? Well before anything else you're gonna have to get over your fear of rejection or what she is gonna think of you. That is the one thing that will put an anchor on your progress. If you can't relax and let go of being afraid of what she'll say, or what she's gonna think of you, or how you're gonna come across then you'll never be able to just be yourself and you'll never get a date man. If someone doesn't like you that's their problem. If a girl rejects you then it's her loss. If you can let go of the fear of what others think of you, if you can learn to embrace rejection instead of fear it, then the rest is a sinch. Flirting comes naturally after that. Sure there are the little things about flirting you can learn to increase your magnetism but if you can't relax enough to use them you're dead in the water. Relax, be yourself, and just go for it... If you would like to be a player, then by all means go and study the art of flirting.



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by addrian Tuesday, February 05 @ 00:43:55 EST
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Just dont try ask them were they got there shoes or just ask them questions and if you think youve asked them enough quesions about stuff then ask them out.



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by Inky Sunday, January 13 @ 10:27:08 EST
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HI Zak I have been living very happily with a man who has asperger's for eleven years now. The thing I love about him is his honesty and trustworthiness. We did not flirt when we met we just got straight into getting to know each other by talking about things that interested us. Aspie's are just as lovable as anyone else... in fact more so sometimes as they are direct and to me don't play complicated games that 'normals' do. Another person said don't "try" to have a relationship but be yourself and I second that. We know a lot of aspie people with great relationships and friendships (like attracts like) and often because they started with something in common not because they tried to be the sort of person that people wanted. Good luck, Inky



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by Bopkasen Thursday, December 20 @ 21:53:22 EST
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A good starting way to flirt with girls is to compliment their hairs, smile, and how they look great. Then you compliment some more on other days... Compliment them by telling them that you have a wonderful time with them. Easy enough?



Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
by Tautfortame Tuesday, August 18 @ 02:04:50 EDT
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I am not a terribly successful dater but I been getting laid more often lately. For me I make an effort to talk to girls about whatever I think it is they seem like they would be interested in. Most people are down to answer questions about themselves and excited to so I don't have to give away as much about who I am initially. For example I would be excited to meet a girl that could play 'Go' but I would never bring it up as a topic unless they did because it is unlikely most people care and too long tail. I keep her talking and then when she hits a subject I am interested in I try to expand on it and continue fishing for more things we have in common that I want to talk about. I make plenty of eye contact when they are talking and try not to stare at her chest. It makes them think you are excited about what they are saying. I ask for the girls number after I am tired of talking or I feel we have reached a good repoire which is flirty in itself and can help reveal if she is interested. The number is the most important part because it is a clear almost binary signal that is understandable. I have ended up with numbers of girls who did not in fact want to date but its not that big a pitfall and its good experience. Some girls will tell you they meant it platonic but i believe that is only confusion and i made a misstep or they changed there mind and regret giving the number because i have never started a friendship in this way so be clear and confident if she asks. I used to think making great conversation with girls I like over enough times would result in a relationship magically without asking her out. This has happened to me on only one strange occasion and it wasn't a very good relationship. I have noticed there is special emphasis on this number thing too because the girl will often back off after the number has been successfully exchanged and retreat to her friends. After all she doesn't want to continue awkward small talk either and and her mission of making you notice her has been accomplished. Watch her smile at her friend and if she leaves happy then feel good about the experience. Dates I have the best luck are if I take her places I want to go but be careful that the place is appropriate to what she is comfortable with and congruent with the level of effort she expects for a first date. If you take her to a place thats too expensive she will feel anxiety especially if she had intended to go dutch on the bill. I believe it is also legitimate to take her to a place outside her everyday experience because she could find it exciting. Even if the place ends up not being for her if you looked cool for taking her there sometimes that is enough. Don't fall in love too soon and chase her but don't put in too much more then she reciprocates. Anyway that is my method. any criticism is appreciated.



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Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
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Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
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Re: Dear Aspie: How do I learn to Flirt? (Score: 1)
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