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[quote="Tim_Tex"][quote="Spokane_Girl"]I remember reading about aspies having troubles understanding right from wrong so that explained to me why I got confused about the rules as a kid because kids didn't follow them and didn't get in trouble for it so I thought it was okay to do. But I do not like it when aspies get excused for a crime they committed. If they know what they did was wrong, they should be punished like a normal person.[/quote] I agree 100%[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Danielismyname</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:39 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It depends on the crime, and the intent behind such. <br /> <br />As is often written in literature, the boy who was obsessed with trains went and "stole" a train and took it for a ride; he saw that he was doing nothing wrong, after all, he wasn't going to hurt anyone (he didn't, and it didn't even cross his mind). So he would have seen that people would understand this completely due to the fact that he can only see his side (a lacking of the usual theory of mind).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Macbeth</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:10 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Zarathustra wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Ah! You'd think so, wouldn't you? In Britain Hanging [Briefly] comes first, then a nice cup of tea to revive you, then disemboweling/castration, a quick [c. 8 hours] game of cricket, followed by being chopped into quarters and your head stuck on a stick at the crossroads. Following the recent implimentation of the Human Rights Act, the cricket has been dropped from the schedule.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Ahh, the good old days, when criminals had LESS rights than victims. <br /> <br />It all depends on the style of hanging. Being hung slowly causes slow strangulation. A short drop and a quick stop (which was the style in the sixties) breaks your neck.. in theory. <br /> <br />As for the thread... People are thinking in absolutes. "All people convicted of paedophilia must burn because they are evil nonces" etc ... Instead of considering each case on its own merits. "He liked regular porn but because some tards label EVERYTHING with lolita he ended up with dubious pictures and got busted". Thus, if someone in the justice system has AS, or any other conditions at all, that should be studied as part of the case, and possibly taken into account. <br /> <br />Consider the possibilities.. certain conditions acting upon a person of an autistic nature are akin to being tortured, either mentally or physically. Torture (despite the CIA) is against your human rights. You have a right to defend yourself. You may even be driven to the level of temporary insanity by such a thing. If I get busted for punching someone in the face for making chewing noises even AFTER they have been warned several times that the noise is to me like having nails screwed into my ears, then I want the courts to be damn well aware of that fact. Aspergers may not be an excuse, but it can aqnd does constitute a defense.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Pepperfire</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:48 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Zarathustra wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I think what most people who post here don't realize, is that we're the autistic elite. The Very High Functioning Autistics - looking down from lofty heights on our more disabled brethren. Spend a little time researching autism and forensics and remember there are Aspies out there, that are as disabled as non-verbal LFA's. I'll be back in time for you GoogleHounds' responses.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I doubt the LFAs are out there committing crimes.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>The_Cucumber</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:58 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The bottom line is that if we want to be treated as equals, we simply can't have people blaming criminal behavior on AS. There are some mental conditions that can cause a disregard for right and wrong but AS is probably not one of them. Sure there will be criminal Aspies. In a country where as many as 1 out of ever 250 people have Asperger's Syndrome and 1 out of every 100 people are imprisoned. It stands to reason that one out of every 75,000 people are both. And in a country with 300 million people that comes to 4,000 imprisoned people with Asperger's Syndrome when the variables are independent. <br /> <br />So there will be plenty of cases where people with AS commit crimes, because there are so many of us statistics demand there will be lunatics among us.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Warsie</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:44 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>miserylovescompany wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Yes, I agree, AS is NO excuse for collecting child porn, no condition or disability or anything is ever an excuse for this kind of DISGUSTING behavour, period.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />can you explain why you think so? (other than the whole "it's evil, disgusting" argument thrown out there by the mainstream?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Warsie</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:41 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">considering the crap laws and social stigmas in place, I say everyone needs a break. <br /> <br />EDIT: Especially considering the absolutist "Right from Wrong". As if there is such a set standard. Even here this type of social bs filters in. "Get him, he's evil" and "flog him" and "punishment deterrs". Society is the real threat and many of the cases these "crimes" are simply a result of society's crap.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Apuleyo</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:46 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I'm just gonna say what lots of other people say and think, for the sake of making this opinion stronger: <br /> <br />AS is not a disorder, people with AS are very capable to think before acting and their autistic traits do not interfere with the ability to discern right and wrong. Therefore, being an aspie or autie is not an excuse for doing wrongful actions and should be prosecuted by the law if they break it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>EvilKimEvil</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:48 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>velodog wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Having AS has screwed my life up enough without adding the potential of anyone labeling me as culpable based on some CRIMINAL using AS as the new "abuse excuse". If we desire to be treated as equals in society by the so called NT's then it really won't do to say "we are your equals, but we can't be trusted to know right from wrong" now would it <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_question.gif" alt="Question" border="0" /> How the hell are we equal if we are not competent enough to know not to steal, murder etc.?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I agree. Most of us <span style="font-style: italic">don't</span> want to be considered mentally ill, right? And most of us <span style="font-style: italic">do</span> want to be given credit for our actions, be they good, bad, or otherwise? <br /> <br />If our crimes are judged as accidents, our successes may be as well.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>velodog</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:09 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Having AS has screwed my life up enough without adding the potential of anyone labeling me as culpable based on some CRIMINAL using AS as the new "abuse excuse". If we desire to be treated as equals in society by the so called NT's then it really won't do to say "we are your equals, but we can't be trusted to know right from wrong" now would it <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_question.gif" alt="Question" border="0" /> How the hell are we equal if we are not competent enough to know not to steal, murder etc.?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Maxrebo</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:51 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">If you use AS as defense if you commited the punishment should be dished out by a council of aspies and involving the aspies doing something because I am afraid how the penal system treats aspies . That an AS is no exuse for a crime espically a crime against a child.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>SuedeIII</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:24 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">AS is not an excuse for anything. <br /> <br />My concern is how the penal system handles a criminal with AS. <br />What happens to an aspie thrown in a cage with that element of society? This surely needs to be considered.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Zarathustra</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:08 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ah! You'd think so, wouldn't you? In Britain Hanging [Briefly] comes first, then a nice cup of tea to revive you, then disemboweling/castration, a quick [c. 8 hours] game of cricket, followed by being chopped into quarters and your head stuck on a stick at the crossroads. Following the recent implimentation of the Human Rights Act, the cricket has been dropped from the schedule.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AspieDave</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:59 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Uhhhh.... you do the flogging THEN the hanging.... the other way around isn't nasty enough....</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Zarathustra</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:51 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Meanwhile, back on the Hang 'Em & Flog 'Em Thread... Will someone please go to <a href="http://www.google.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.com</a> and type in "ASPERGER FORENSIC site:.uk" and see what the UK criminal justice system has to say... I hope I don't ever get a jury full of Aspies... I'm running away now before you sentence me to life without parole for being a bleedin' heart liberal. G*d! And yestesday I was worrying about being too right wing...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AspieDave</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:32 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Maybe it's my Celtic/Scandinavian ancestry but I really don't grok at a basic level why people think "cruel and barbaric" are necessarily a bad thing. I truly don't. I agree, that if you're dealing with a crowd of intelligent and sophisticated people, cruel and barbaric is not effective. If you're dealing with a crowd of barely socialized killer apes it's quite effective. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be gangs in America and they wouldn't control so much territory or have such unswerving loyalty from their members... They rule through fear, and it's fear generated by their cruel and barbaric tactics. In turn, if you want to combat them effectively, you have to fight on their terms. Or wipe them out, completely. Those are your basic options. It doesn't matter if you're talking about a major American city's slums, or Bogota, or somewhere in the Third World. Yes, if I had my preference, I'd live in one of the Libertarian Utopias from L. Neil Smith's books... but I live in the real world and for 95% of the people in the world, no matter WHERE they live brutal is what they live with every day. Middle class and higher in a "Western Democracy" is what most or all of us here are... and we're the most privileged class in the history of humanity. We live with more luxury than kings could have dreamed up 300 years ago. I have more books on a flash chip in my palmpilot than a rich man would have owned in his lifetime. My personal library is larger than any university would have had 300 years ago, and I own all that without needed to go armed everywhere or have a small army of personal retainers to defend it. Because in this country and this time I'm barely middle class... <br /> <br />We live a curious lie here in America. Our "puritan" roots tell us crime is a Sin and Sin must be punished... Our psychologists and sociologists tell us that criminals aren't sinners, they're in need of understanding and reform... Both are right and both are wrong, and neither can get it right. If you can get to them before the mindset and ToM of the criminal becomes too hard set, reform may be possible, but once that mindset takes hold, only a rare and unusual criminal will be able to successfully change his own mode of thinking. After that point, they'll only truly comprehend one thing, if we catch you doing this again, we will make the punishment worse. Prisons for minor and younger criminals are too harsh, and prisons for hardened and habitual criminals are too lax. But with our "equality" based vision in this country, everyone must be treated exactly the same way.... it's insane. And we deserve exactly the results we're getting. <br /> <br />How does that relate to AS? And that those of us on the spectrum seem LESS inclined to cut one of the brethren some slack than the general public? How about because we KNOW this isn't a "disability", not for most Aspie's anyway. We may be different, we may be not "normal" but we're not of diminished capacity.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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