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[quote="beau99"]It's best not to trust anything written by David Kirby.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>alex</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:44 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>beau99 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It's best not to trust anything written by David Kirby.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />additionaly, autism wasn't even mentioned in that case.... talk about misleading journalism. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolling Eyes" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AceX</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:49 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Me/family/doctors cant tell the difference?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Correlation-Causation fallacy. It is very common cognitive bias, and a source of many superstitions, to associate two things that occurred close together in time in terms of cause and effect when in fact no such relationship between the events exist. <br /> <br />The girl cried continiusly for a week after the vaccine shot. <br /> <br />She was hospitalised... and never recovered. <br /> <br />The doctors (perhaps even the firm) confirmed the link to this autism case and the vaccine. <br /> <br />However they insist that there was a faulty stock of vaccine on the market.(that must be the firms story) <br /> <br />If there was a faulty stock on the market there should be more identical cases. <br /> <br />In the city I live in though (Thessaloniki Greece) this insident is unique.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Rjaye</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:40 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Anything in the Huff n Puff Post on autism is to be regarded very, very carefully, i.e. not at all. <br /> <br />As for the rates in California rising, well, the rates of mental retardation and NLDs have declined the same rate. Studies in a few other states have shown the same thing--the exception being New Jersey--who, by the by, has some of the best schools for kids with ASDs in the country and it's paid by the state. Every parent who has commented on this on other boards I've read on other boards moved to NJ just for that reason. Not scientific, but intriguing. <br /> <br />A former childhood schizophrenic, Rjaye</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>sartresue</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:50 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Devexing vaccines topic <br /> <br />I am suspicious of the title Kirby used in his article. I fear he is speaking out of both sides of his mouth,as if he is sitting on the fence and waiting to see to which side he should jump. <br /> <br />He talks in circles and explains very little. This is not investigative journalism. This is not even reporting. It sounds more like uncritical gossip. <br /> <br />Disappointing, and lacking in clarity.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>sojournertruth</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:41 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Griff wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">You are attempting to use this hypothesis as a premise on which to deny that autism is generally genetically inherited. You are using this to stock the hopes of guilt-ridden parents who feel threatened by the possibility that something intrinsically "wrong" with themselves could be responsible for the distress endured by their children. Parents of autistic children do go through these feelings. <br />...You know that these parents would believe anything in the world in order to clear their conscience. You know that many of them would rush to embrace your homeopathic remedies if you came offering absolution.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />this has more than a grain of truth to it. It's the same reason that Ob-Gyns have the highest malpractice premiums of any specialty: parents blame the doctor whenever there's anything wrong with the precious new baby that they've been anticipating for nine months.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Odin</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:37 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>DW_a_mom wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I think for the case before the court, the following from the article is most likely to be true: <br /> <br /><span style="font-style: italic">If the government is claiming that vaccines did not "cause" autism, but instead aggravated a condition to "manifest" as autism, isn't that a very fine distinction? </span> <br /> <br />A fine disctinction, maybe, but an important one, long run. <br /> <br />California just released a study that shows cases of autism continue to rise DESPITE the removal of thimerisol from vaccinations in the state. There is no statistical link between thimerisol and increases in the incidence of autism. <br /> <br />My personal opinion is that autism is caused by genetic conditions but that manifestation can be aggrevated by environmental ones. Perhaps exposure to certain chemicals can make certain symptons and stims worse. For example, is my son's difficulty with writing really because of his Aspergers brain wiring, or because of a chemical effect? He developed completely normally in this area, and possibly ahead of scale, until 3 1/2. <br /> <br />In general, I simply hate the blame game. It takes away from what we parents should be focusing on: helping our children live the best life they can, given who they are.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The rates of autism appear to be rising just because it's getting diagnosed more, back several decades ago many people now dx'ed with an ASD would of been diagnosed with early-onset schizophrenia (like Nominalist was), Schizoid Personality Disorder, or mental retardation.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>pbcoll</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:22 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>DW_a_mom wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />California just released a study that shows cases of autism continue to rise DESPITE the removal of thimerisol from vaccinations in the state. There is no statistical link between thimerisol and increases in the incidence of autism.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Yes, and by the logic conspiracy theorists use, that proves that removing thimerosal from vaccines causes autism... <br /> <br />The ruling of the courts are scientifically irrelevant - scientific truth is determined by the evidence (otherwise, Galileo would have been wrong about the Earth moving). <br />Most jurors are going to have no scientific or medical training (and judges are not necessarily much better) - knowing what most people are like, if there is a smooth-talking lawyer skillfully appealing to emotion and hysteria, i can easily imagine the court listening to emotions rather than evidence...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>DW_a_mom</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:35 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think for the case before the court, the following from the article is most likely to be true: <br /> <br /><span style="font-style: italic">If the government is claiming that vaccines did not "cause" autism, but instead aggravated a condition to "manifest" as autism, isn't that a very fine distinction? </span> <br /> <br />A fine disctinction, maybe, but an important one, long run. <br /> <br />California just released a study that shows cases of autism continue to rise DESPITE the removal of thimerisol from vaccinations in the state. There is no statistical link between thimerisol and increases in the incidence of autism. <br /> <br />My personal opinion is that autism is caused by genetic conditions but that manifestation can be aggrevated by environmental ones. Perhaps exposure to certain chemicals can make certain symptons and stims worse. For example, is my son's difficulty with writing really because of his Aspergers brain wiring, or because of a chemical effect? He developed completely normally in this area, and possibly ahead of scale, until 3 1/2. <br /> <br />In general, I simply hate the blame game. It takes away from what we parents should be focusing on: helping our children live the best life they can, given who they are.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>MrMark</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:51 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>DeaconBlues wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>MrMark wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Griff, please refrain from name-calling on these forums.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Actually, MrMark, I got the impression that Griff's diatribe was directed toward Mr. Kirby, ...</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I don't care who it's directed at. It is the expressive style used by neurotypical schoolchildren toward the kids they don't like.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>DeaconBlues</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:19 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>MrMark wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Griff, please refrain from name-calling on these forums. <br /> <br />I am not a scientist. I don't know what causes autism. I have posted numerous news articles reporting no link between vaccines and autism. I have looked for news articles from mainstream organizations presenting the other point of view and not found one until now. I'm disappointed I didn't find it first. <br /> <br />If you read the article carefully, the government has <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> conceded a direct link between vaccines and autism. They have conceded that, "the child had a pre-existing mitochondrial disorder that was "aggravated" by her shots, and which ultimately resulted in an ASD diagnosis," and that compensation was appropriate. <br /> <br />This is a forum for discussion of issues. Zendell has repeatedly insisted that there is a link between vaccines and autism. I have never told him that he was wrong. I have only told him that his was the minority view and that the tide was moving against him. <br /> <br />If you believe that anybody who disagrees with you is just wrong or worse, stupid, then there is no place for you on this forum. There are other autism forums on the web which cater to people who feel this way.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Actually, MrMark, I got the impression that Griff's diatribe was directed toward Mr. Kirby, whose entire op-ed column (that was not an "article" - phrasing was highly slanted, there was little fact-checking, and opinions were expressed as if they were fact) seemed aimed at "freeing" parents from the "responsibility" of having autistic genes, so that such parents can continue to be smugly certain of their own chromosomal perfection - "This can't be <span style="font-style: italic">our</span> fault - someone else <span style="font-style: italic">did this to us!"</span></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>MrMark</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:24 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: I know a case</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>AceX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">As a farmacist I find the "faulty but passed the controll" story quite far fetched.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I would think that a pharmacist would know how to spell pharmacist.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>MrMark</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:20 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Griff, please refrain from name-calling on these forums. <br /> <br />I am not a scientist. I don't know what causes autism. I have posted numerous news articles reporting no link between vaccines and autism. I have looked for news articles from mainstream organizations presenting the other point of view and not found one until now. I'm disappointed I didn't find it first. <br /> <br />If you read the article carefully, the government has <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> conceded a direct link between vaccines and autism. They have conceded that, "the child had a pre-existing mitochondrial disorder that was "aggravated" by her shots, and which ultimately resulted in an ASD diagnosis," and that compensation was appropriate. <br /> <br />This is a forum for discussion of issues. Zendell has repeatedly insisted that there is a link between vaccines and autism. I have never told him that he was wrong. I have only told him that his was the minority view and that the tide was moving against him. <br /> <br />If you believe that anybody who disagrees with you is just wrong or worse, stupid, then there is no place for you on this forum. There are other autism forums on the web which cater to people who feel this way.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Odin</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:53 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: I know a case</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>AceX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">There is a least one case that links Autism to the triple vaccine (MMR). <br /> <br />There was a normal girl that had the vaccine and cried for a week. <br /> <br />She is 30 now severly autistic. (still wearing dipers) <br /> <br />The doctors told the family that it was the vaccines wrongdoing but they were just unlucky. <br /> <br />See there was a faulty/contaminated stock of that vaccine on the market that somehow passed control. <br /> <br />But the vaccine itself was safe. <br /> <br />As a farmacist I find the "faulty but passed the controll" story quite far fetched. <br /> <br />If there was a stock of faulty vaccines on the market there should be similar cases. <br /> <br />I am personally aware of only one though.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Correlation-Causation fallacy. It is very common cognitive bias, and a source of many superstitions, to associate two things that occurred close together in time in terms of cause and effect when in fact no such relationship between the events exist.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Odin</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:49 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Griff wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Oh, another of these guys...I'm so sick of these people, and I have to say something. <br /> <br />Okay, please allow me to reiterate my position on this subject: <br /> <br />My skepticism toward the mercury poisoning theory is not my premise for believing that homeopathic medicine is complete bullhockey. <br /> <br />My premise for believing that homeopathic medicine is bullhockey is that it actually <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a load of bullhockey. It's criminal rubbish. It's snake-oil. It's CRAP. Shove it up your arse. <br /> <br />Furthermore, I do not reject the possibility that mercury poisoning from vaccination is possible. I do not yet have sufficient background in biochemistry to weigh in on this subject, particularly as any kind of authority. <br /> <br />What you are doing is not defending the hypothesis that mercury poisoning could increase one's risk of developing autism. If you are going to say anything of the sort, you are an outright liar and ought to be completely ashamed of yourself. <br /> <br />I will tell you what you are doing: <br /> <br />You are attempting to use this hypothesis as a premise on which to deny that autism is generally genetically inherited. You are using this to stock the hopes of guilt-ridden parents who feel threatened by the possibility that something intrinsically "wrong" with themselves could be responsible for the distress endured by their children. Parents of autistic children do go through these feelings. I endured a lifetime of abuse from my mother, for example, because she has always held me completely to blame for these gnawing feelings within herself. Unfortunately, she was too weak to accept me as I was born to her, and I was, for my entire life, treated as a sociopathic brat. If she was in the least dissatisfied with my behavior, whether I was enduring a meltdown or a bad reaction to one of the medications perscribed to me, I was punished with the same cruelty that an irresponsible parent would punish any misbehaving child, and my life was Hell. Right now, however, my anger is shifting from her, for merely being <span style="font-weight: bold">weak</span>, to you, for being an opportunistic coward. <br /> <br />You know that these parents would believe anything in the world in order to clear their conscience. You know that many of them would rush to embrace your homeopathic remedies if you came offering absolution. <br /> <br />But you are a quack. <br /> <br />I hate you with every bit of venom that I hate unscrupulous vegans who would peddle lies in order to propagandize their lifestyle. <br /> <br />You are vermin. <br /> <br />You are scum. <br /> <br />You are the type of person who would take advantage of a weak, guilt-ridden woman like the person who gave birth to me. <br /> <br />You would use her. <br /> <br />As a tool for your own ends. <br /> <br />I hate you. I hate you with everything in my body. <br /> <br />Because, in the end, I know that I don't really hate my mother for her crimes against me. I hurt <span style="font-style: italic">for</span> her, and I hate you because you are another person who would have hurt her if you'd had a chance to get your filthy claws into her. <br /> <br />Do not take advantage of desperate people. It is wrong.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Quoted for truth!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>TLPG</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:11 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>zendell wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>twosheds wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">A concession in a court case does not prove anything. <br /> <br />Please do not confuse the federal rules of civil procedure with the scientific method.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yet when someone posted the recent story where a judge dismissed an autism-thimerosal connection, many people here used that as evidence that thimerosal doesn't cause autism. I bet the same people will use your excuse to dismiss this ruling. <br /> <br />Judge rules no autism-vaccine connection -> evidence of no link to some people <br />Another Judge finds autism-vaccine connection -> doesn't mean anything to the same people</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Excuse me, but the second one has never happened. The case referred to is yet to be heard - and if I'm right it's in the vaccine court. <br /> <br />Beau's right - David Kirby is a long time quack lover and a personal buddy of JB Handley, the founder of Generation Rescue. Take what he says with a grain of salt. <br /> <br />The decision of Judge Berger (the first case referred to here) set a precedent in the mainstream system, away from the vaccine court. The only way to counter that is to get a counter judgment made contradicting the ruling in a higher court.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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