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[quote="TheMidnightJudge"]hmm. What if we eliminated an entire race of people who thought differently? That would be a shameful loss. "We can't solve problems with the same kind of thinking that created them." -Einstein[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>skafreak1</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:23 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Many of the supporters of the “cure” are the parents and friends of autistic people, not the autistic ones themselves. For this reason, I criticize the cure theory as being forced upon autistics by a neural typical society that only wishes to have others conform to it instead of accepting people’s differences. <br /> <br />As someone who has not been diagnosed with autism or AS, I don't believe that I have any right to decide whether another human being, alive or unborn, should be forced to change because they're not like me. <br /> <br />When I was younger, I would get so angry that my younger AS brother wasn't "normal". But as I grew older I began to celebrate his differences, not criticize them. I now believe that different people add to the richness and diversity of the human species. <br /> <br />I know that my brother is the only brother I would ever want, and I wouldn't change him at all.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>EvilKimEvil</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:48 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">No. I disagree with the following practices: <br /> <br />1. <span style="text-decoration: underline">Selective Abortion Based on Parents' Desires</span> - I think that selective abortion should be allowed only for conditions that are obviously extremely painful for the affected individual and cannot be treated effectively. Even then, it's an ethical gray area, but I think one could make a case for it. When selective abortion is motivated more by the parents' desire for a "prefect" child than concern for the quality of life the child might have, it is a form of eugenics, which should be discouraged. <br /> <br />2. <span style="text-decoration: underline">Arguably Unnecessary Modification of an Individual Without Their Informed Consent</span> - IMO, no one should be medicated or operated upon without their fully informed consent unless it is necessary to save their life or preserve their quality of life. Since no one can say what quality of life an autistic person will experience, it would be wrong to do anything to a fetus, infant or child to prevent autism.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sora</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:02 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>gitchel wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />Of course, there would be a TINY amount of non-compliance, but those resulting autistics would be even MORE drastically shunned by society, since they would be considered “preventable.”</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />No, for the same reason. It applies to any other irresponsible handling of modifying the genetic pool. <br /> <br />It's times like when a parent of a kid with Down's is asked by other parents why they actually let the kid with Down's come into life. This attitude is just wrong. <br /> <br />If people are more responsible, if they ever will be, I will reconsider, because responsible use would then not be devastating, as horrible and as downright wrong. <br /> <br />(As hurtful as I personally think it to be to modify/abort any child.)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Smelena</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:44 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: A cure for FUTURE autism</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>xyzyxx wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">However, what if a cure was devised that would prevent your children, and the children of others, from being born autistic?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />No, no, no, no, no, no, no! <br /> <br />I am neurotypical but 2 of my sons are Aspie. <br /> <br />I look forward to them getting married and having children. <br /> <br />I would love to be a grandma of <span style="font-weight: bold">any</span> children they have: neurotypical or aspie. <br /> <br />Either way, these grandchildren would bring joy into our family's life. <br /> <br />Helen</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Josher</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:47 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't want it to possibly spread to every person in the world but I still want some people to have it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CockneyRebel</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:15 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I support a cure for blindness. I have no problem about that. However, I think that people are born with autism, for a reason. The world needs human variations, to survive. Various genetic conditions have been around, since the beginning of time. Look what happened with babies with Down Syndrome. Most of them are aborted. I don't want the same thing to happen to babies that are on the Spectrum. I also don't feel that the genes of any autistic baby should be tampered with, in the mother's womb. Blindness and deafness are different. I feel that those conditions should be cured, along with asthma.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Reyairia</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:39 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>gitchel wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course, there would be a TINY amount of non-compliance, but those resulting autistics would be even MORE drastically shunned by society, since they would be considered “preventable."</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Exactly. Anyone who thinks there's going to be a choice, yes there will be technically, but it's not going to be mentioned. Psychiatrists are not (especially if they make money off treatements) going to tell an aspie child to go research on autism and decide if he wants a cure or not, he's just going to write something down and hand over the perscription to mommy. A choice? I wouldn't call it that. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CockneyRebel wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I think that nature should run its course.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I disagree. In case of blindness or genetic abnormalities and the such, I do think that should be helped and cured. However, autism is different.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CockneyRebel</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:19 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I know that I wouldn't want to be treated. I'd chafe under such regimes.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Nikky91</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:25 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't think HFA or AS should be treated, people like that are born for a reason. That's just my opinion.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>TheMidnightJudge</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:27 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">hmm. What if we eliminated an entire race of people who thought differently? That would be a shameful loss. <br />"We can't solve problems with the same kind of thinking that created them." -Einstein</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CockneyRebel</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:44 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think that nature should run its course.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Odin</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:42 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>xyzyxx wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I wasn't talking about abortion, here. <br /> <br />I was talking about a prenatal method to detect autism/aspergers and to somehow change that unborn child to an NT. <br />BTW I wouldn't approve of such a cure, either. I just wanted people's opinions.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />IMO modifying one's own sperm or eggs is totally fine with me. Modifying an embryo, fetus, or a child not old enough to consent should not be allowed.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CockneyRebel</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:52 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think that nature should be left to do its course, and that if an unborn child is going to be autistic, than they should just let the child be.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>xyzyxx</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:36 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I wasn't talking about abortion, here. <br /> <br />I was talking about a prenatal method to detect autism/aspergers and to somehow change that unborn child to an NT. <br />BTW I wouldn't approve of such a cure, either. I just wanted people's opinions.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Smelena</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:24 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>ShadesOfMe wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">If I had children, and they were aspies, I would be proud.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I have 3 sons - 2 have Asperger's and I am so proud of them. I don't want them 'cured'. <br /> <br />Helen (NT Mum)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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