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[quote="Spokane_Girl"]I think it was okay of them to do. Urinating in places instead of in the bathroom is unsanitary so it's not okay, the fact he is a danger to other people because the fact he was nearly knocking down kids and elderlies, not okay. And fighting also not okay. I'm assuming they mean psychical fight. Everyone has every right to be safe at their own church. No one should be given the special privilege to act that way because of their autism or any other condition they have. But I don't see why they had to ban the mother too instead of the boy only.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ToadOfSteel</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:20 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Everchanging wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It'll be better for him in the long run not to be exposed to that mind-rotting filth.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If what you say is true, then my brain must be rotten down to the stem. Except, uh, it isn't...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Pandora</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:43 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It might have been somewhat better if this lad and his mum could have sat right up the back of the church so if he started to get agitated, he could have been taken outside.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Spokane_Girl</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:46 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Going to church isn't an NT thing. It's a religious thing. Not all god believers go to church either. My boyfriend for example and my parents. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />And preludeman, the church didn't bann him because he's autistic, they banned him because he was disruptive. <br /> <br />I had read an article on this and it said the mother said his behavior was exaggerated or lies. So who knows what he really did. My opinion stays the same if all that is really true about him and the mother was just saying that in self defense.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>preludeman</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:27 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: My Two Cents.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">And some of you wonder why I do not tell people in my church I have AS. I am not disruptive, yet it is bigoted for any faith to do this. They need to find the "root cause" , and try to help him.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Yupa</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:23 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>greenblue wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> I hardly understand why people go the church <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />For comfort and meaning.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>greenblue</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:17 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Spokane_Girl wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>greenblue wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Giving it another thought, I see that the child is low-functioning, right? then very likely he would feel uncomfortable there, and the mother taking him to church is being HER responsability in that case, for everything that could happen, and well, is a low-functioning autistic person able to understand religion, in the first place?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Maybe. LFA isn't mental retardation who are autistic. <br />They have normal IQ's too or above normal but they just can't take care of themselves very well because they struggle with self help skills. Incontinence is common in LFA. Droopy and Amanda Baggs are en example of what LFA is. Droopy was the one who showed me LFA's aren't mentally retarded just by watching her videos on youtube. Yes there are some LFA's out there who are retarded. I have heard some people with autism also have mental retardation or people with mental retardation also have autism.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />well, I didn't imply that was mental retardation, just that it seemed very likely that going to church and doing all the stuff they do there, would not make any sense for him, I mean, it must have something to do with social skills and stuff NTs take for granted, and understanding the concept of why people do this, and likely he would rather just do the things that he likes, alone. I hardly understand why people go the church <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> <br /> <br />Probably he was being forced to go there because of the mother's beliefs, he seems unhappy there. It would have been better to bring the church to home, in a matter of speaking. Although, he probably wouldn't care or even like that.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CRACK</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:47 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I say: good for them for kicking out an obviously problematic individual rather than going limp-**** just because he is mentally handicapped. It isn't fair for the other churchgoers.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Everchanging</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:17 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It'll be better for him in the long run not to be exposed to that mind-rotting filth.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CockneyRebel</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:53 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Ticker wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It's unfair to the other people to keep a monster like that at the church. If a person can't control their behaviors and they harm others or disrupt public functions then they have absolutely no business being with other people. Purposely urinating in public is repulsive and disgusting. The boy shouldn't be taken out of his home if he is that bad. And quite blaming nasty behavior as being an autistic problem because he obviously has more wrong with him them autism to act like that.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It's one thing if a person can't help such incontinence issues to the point of needing Depend's. From what I was reading, this boy was wetting himself on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to stay at the church. Those are two different things, all together. He didn't do it, all the time. Only when he was angry.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CockneyRebel</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:49 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Spokane_Girl wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>greenblue wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Giving it another thought, I see that the child is low-functioning, right? then very likely he would feel uncomfortable there, and the mother taking him to church is being HER responsability in that case, for everything that could happen, and well, is a low-functioning autistic person able to understand religion, in the first place?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Maybe. LFA isn't mental retardation who are autistic. <br />They have normal IQ's too or above normal but they just can't take care of themselves very well because they struggle with self help skills. Incontinence is common in LFA. Droopy and Amanda Baggs are en example of what LFA is. Droopy was the one who showed me LFA's aren't mentally retarded just by watching her videos on youtube. Yes there are some LFA's out there who are retarded. I have heard some people with autism also have mental retardation or people with mental retardation also have autism.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Take a look at Sue Ruben, for example. She tested as mentally retarded, until she started using a keyboard to speak. After she learned to use the keyboard, she tested with an IQ of 136.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Spokane_Girl</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:07 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>greenblue wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Giving it another thought, I see that the child is low-functioning, right? then very likely he would feel uncomfortable there, and the mother taking him to church is being HER responsability in that case, for everything that could happen, and well, is a low-functioning autistic person able to understand religion, in the first place?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Maybe. LFA isn't mental retardation who are autistic. <br />They have normal IQ's too or above normal but they just can't take care of themselves very well because they struggle with self help skills. Incontinence is common in LFA. Droopy and Amanda Baggs are en example of what LFA is. Droopy was the one who showed me LFA's aren't mentally retarded just by watching her videos on youtube. Yes there are some LFA's out there who are retarded. I have heard some people with autism also have mental retardation or people with mental retardation also have autism.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Yupa</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:39 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Autistic banned from Mass</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>pinkiepie wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I was watching CNN a few days ago, and I found some news that I thought might interest you: <br /> <br />A severely autistic 13-year old and his mom were banned from attending mass at their local church in Minnesota. The church's reason why they did what they did was that the boy was "disruptive and dangerous." Why? He fights, urinates, and almost knocked over children and elderly people. So they filed a restraining order against the boy and his mom so that none of those things would happen again. <br /> <br />So what do you think of that? <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif" alt="Shocked" border="0" /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />They didn't kick him out because he was autistic. They kicked him out because he did stupid, inappropriate stuff that everyone knows is wrong.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>greenblue</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:05 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Giving it another thought, I see that the child is low-functioning, right? then very likely he would feel uncomfortable there, and the mother taking him to church is being HER responsability in that case, for everything that could happen, and well, is a low-functioning autistic person able to understand religion, in the first place?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Ticker</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:03 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It's unfair to the other people to keep a monster like that at the church. If a person can't control their behaviors and they harm others or disrupt public functions then they have absolutely no business being with other people. Purposely urinating in public is repulsive and disgusting. The boy shouldn't be taken out of his home if he is that bad. And quite blaming nasty behavior as being an autistic problem because he obviously has more wrong with him them autism to act like that.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>GreatCeleryStalk</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:04 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>slowmutant wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Latin Masses sare pretty rarely said these days. Maybe they should try 19th century Spain.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I used to say them rather frequently, mostly because I enjoy them. They're becoming more common lately, from what I understand, and it is possible to find one in many larger diocese. <br /> <br />They're a pretty neat experience from a sensory perspective, provided they're not low masses.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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