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[quote="LKL"]that's not exactly right; we are, as a species, continually approaching perfection [i]only with regard to the environment we currently exist in.[/i] 'Perfection' for the environment of the original stone-workers (small family groups, food obtained by hunting and gathering, etc) is not the same thing as 'perfection' for the modern environment (enormous groups of people compared to the original groups, even in a small town; skill in driving a car more important than skill in killing animals, food mostly obtained at markets and in great excess in the first world).[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Brainsforbreakfast</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:26 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I downloaded the movie. They never showed it in theaters in my countries.. too bad, because it was a good movie to begin with. <br /> <br />Altough the issues in the movie might be exaggerated, they are IMO good issues to think about. <br />Not only the problem of social class an eugenetics, but there is also the problem of lack of diversity. <br /> <br />Take sickle cell anemia for example. It might be considered a genetic disorder people would be best without, but at the same time it gives you a much higher resistance against malaria. <br /> <br />Mutts are overall also much much healthier then purebreds. <br /> <br />Take away genetic, personal and cultural diversity, and the only thing you are left with is a gray world without any kind of growth.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>LKL</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:08 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">that's not exactly right; we are, as a species, continually approaching perfection <span style="font-style: italic">only with regard to the environment we currently exist in.</span> 'Perfection' for the environment of the original stone-workers (small family groups, food obtained by hunting and gathering, etc) is not the same thing as 'perfection' for the modern environment (enormous groups of people compared to the original groups, even in a small town; skill in driving a car more important than skill in killing animals, food mostly obtained at markets and in great excess in the first world).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>qaliqo</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:59 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Evo-what?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">All species are constantly self-perfecting for the quantum of selection. We are all more perfect than the species that first wielded tools, even the relatively primitive ones. This is life over time, this is evolution. So we are doing it IFF we pass on our genes to another specimen. This is the biological level, of course; ideas can perfect our species more easily than can breeding. <br /> <br />The rational perfection of offspring is mirrored by irrational perfection -- while science may soon allow us a dizzying array of genetic modifications, it is more likely emotion that will lead parents to embark upon such procedures. Genetic disorders come in many flavors, and some of them deserve treatment, possibly <span style="font-style: italic">in utero</span> or even <span style="font-style: italic">in vitro</span> as the medical science allows. That is not an endorsement of willy nilly attempts to Create-A-Child(R), but a recognition that human suffering should be alleviated whenever possible.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Brainsforbreakfast</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:50 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">That video in the top post no longer works. <br />What was it about?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>The_Cucumber</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:28 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Pandora wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The thing people need to realise is none of us are perfect. If they went for true perfection, they would kill everybody off.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Ahh.. too true. True perfection itself can't be applied to human beings anyway.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Pandora</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:42 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The thing people need to realise is none of us are perfect. If they went for true perfection, they would kill everybody off.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>catspurr</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:20 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hello Apple in my eye. I think the movie is underrated too. <br /> <br />Ghostgurl, I hope we aren't heading in that direction.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ghostgurl</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:21 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Gattaca is a great movie. I hope the future portrayed in it doesn't become true, but it certainly seems more and more likely.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Apple_in_my_Eye</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:56 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Human Genetic Perfection (should you be alive?)</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">There was a post in about the movie Gattaca that disappeared right when I was about to post this. <br />(I always thought that movie was very under-rated.) <br /> <br /><object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/jxq3A2FHBh8"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/jxq3A2FHBh8&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6&border=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="418" height="350"></embed></object><br /><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=jxq3A2FHBh8&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6&border=0" target="_blank"></a><br /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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