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[quote="Sora"]The officials did a horrible job to handle this in my opinion. I don't think I can add anything to what was said about them already. Something else; [quote="matsuiny2004"]I really think the child should at least get some help. He is 12 and seems to have problems. I am not saying what he did is ok or not, but he does need help.[/quote] Yes. When a child is hurting other children in extremes sexual implications or hitting, kicking, punching etc. it's often a complicated situation for all participants. We have a younger kid who's provocation others, violent and bullying in class and it's a balance between the others children from further harm and ensuring this child is, mentally, also not further hurt and damaged. Hardly possible. It's one thing to read about a case like this or see a kid acting violently, but it's another to see and experience the child in question as a full person. In my own case at school, I consider this: Destroy 1 kid's future to save 30 others or take collateral damage of 30 into account to ensure the 1 kid has a chance at life, when you know all participants well and all show just how human and fragile they are. I imagine similar reasoning (if there are any serious and fair professionals) about the boy in the article and any other child that is violent in any physical or psychological form. Can't say I'd like to make that decision, glad I don't have to make it, because I don't feel sympathy. It would be so much easier to handle the situations daily if I just felt sympathy, had a 'favourite kid' and would side with it. [quote="Rebecca_L"]Apparently he also took Ritalin and hadn't had any for a while. (Mom was in the hospital or something.) I sent a note to my son's teacher that stated quite clearly that I had told my son to retaliate if this child struck him again and that my son would NOT be given detention or any other punative response. I pointed out that I didn't send my son to school to be hit and if the school couldn't protect him that he had my permission to protect himself. I encouraged the teacher to share my note with the principal if she felt it necessary. The other child was suspended from school until it could be determined that he was once again getting his Ritalin. [/quote] That sounds as if it was handled well. If the child actually was on Ritalin, but accidentally was not/someone unprofessional might have decided it wasn't necessary, it was only correct to ensure he would be on meds/get the correct treatment for both the others' safely and the kid's social and academic perspective.[/quote]
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vermontsavant
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:23 pm
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Cornflake wrote:
I think there should be a fossil icon for ancient threads like this one...
maybe you should ask the higher ups in Admin if they could spring for carbon dating technology
Cornflake
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:05 pm
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I think there should be a fossil icon for ancient threads like this one...
vermontsavant
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:42 pm
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Oh yes i remember this case and this thread,it always sticks in my mind because it happened the same day Theodoric conquered Rome in 476ce
Sparkstorm
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Bully, 12, investigated for rape
sinsboldly wrote:
The girl, who
suffers
from Asperger Syndrome, a form of autism, has allegedly been taunted by the boy and his friends.
Hate, hate, HATE that phrase. I know it's not the issue here, but "suffers" implies a disease or something.
sinsboldly wrote:
Johan Basson, principal of Paarl School for neurally handicapped children in Brackenfell, near Cape Town, allegedly told the girl’s parents that he could not ensure her safety and said: “You brought this upon yourself by going to the police.”
WHAT
THE
F***?!
The parents did exactly the right thing! Every problem here is down to the school and the b****** that did this!
This is
unbelievable
, and the principal, the boy and all his a**hole friends need to be shot!
Howdy_Neighbor
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:35 pm
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Sweetleaf wrote:
angelofdarkness wrote:
this is sick that boy should be locked up,
He should probably be evaluated by a psychiatrist first......I mean as screwed up as this whole thing is, it needs to be investigated what is going on with him. There is no justification, but most 12 year olds would not do something like that so there could be something wrong.
It's likely that his parents or other significant siblings were treating him either in an abusive or neglecting manner.
(i.e. either they let fly the fact that he was getting involved with explicit material or behaving in a certain way, without much if any discipline, or the parents siblings treated him in a rather cruel way.
Howdy_Neighbor
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:16 pm
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Silver_Meteor wrote:
I don't care if he has taken his Ritalin or not. The little sociopath should be tried in court then locked up as a sexual predator. The psychologist and the principal should be held for gross negligence by a court of law.
From someone who is both AS and ADD, Ritalin alone doesn't take away a person's free will, from my experience, nor is it a coping mechanism from feeling frustrated either. It does address some of the temporary wanderings from reality that make life irritating when say, you mess up while hearing multiple lines of command from others, but it is not a question of curing your inclination and/or carrying out depraved acts like this.
Chances also are this kid was fantasizing or doing some rediculous porn crap while his ineffective parents let whatever their son was doing just go by without any discipline whatsoever.
Magneto
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:48 pm
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LadyMahler wrote:
Hi all - sorry I only spotted this thread now. This happened in South Africa (where I'm from). I followed this story in order to assist where I can. It turned out that the mother has munchausens by proxy. Please read the rest of the saga
click here
.
It is so completely horrible: the whole story and the fact that it could or could not have been fabricated, in the end. The school's lack of appropriate response, whichever turns out to be the truth, is unforgivable, though.
I have made available an open channel of support for this family and nobody has taken it up. I have sent personal messages to the sister of this child and she is so absorbed in her own psychological dramas, she just never responded. In the meantime, I have no idea what is happening to the child (in fact, no idea whether she is aspie, even).
For all of those that had abuse happen to them (as children or adults): I am so sorry. Please speak up. And when you grow up, please do not let it go, keep speaking up. Family and school authorities really can screw things up. YOU are the one that must make the truth known.
Link doesn't work, but do you know what happened?
edgewaters
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:08 pm
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This is (expletive deleted) sick. The kid should be charged, the principal should be fired and barred from any profession involving supervision of children.
How come the law & order types are always so keen to come down hard on anyone they perceive as a misfit, but always so ready to excuse (and often actually contribute to) bad behaviour from people perceived as socially dominant?
Sending the girl back to the school, what a horror show.
angelofdarkness
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:52 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
angelofdarkness wrote:
this is sick that boy should be locked up,
He should probably be evaluated by a psychiatrist first......I mean as screwed up as this whole thing is, it needs to be investigated what is going on with him. There is no justification, but most 12 year olds would not do something like that so there could be something wrong.
oh yeah i forgot about that oops
Sweetleaf
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:35 am
Post subject:
angelofdarkness wrote:
this is sick that boy should be locked up,
He should probably be evaluated by a psychiatrist first......I mean as screwed up as this whole thing is, it needs to be investigated what is going on with him. There is no justification, but most 12 year olds would not do something like that so there could be something wrong.
Sweetleaf
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:32 am
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That's intresting they brought it on themselves by trying to take action? wow this disgusts me....I mean not only is that terrible, but what kind of a school official or whatever actually justifies due to someone trying to take action against it. I loath people like that, they're the ones who helped make my childhood hell, because it was my fault I got bullied because I couldn't be 'normal' well yeah this pisses me off.....I almost want to write a nice little letter to that school about how sick, twisted and screwed up they are.
angelofdarkness
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:54 am
Post subject:
this is sick that boy should be locked up,
nostromo
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:41 am
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None of the "grown ups" in this story seem to have behaved like responsible adults
heavenlyabyss
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:01 am
Post subject: Re: Bully, 12, investigated for rape
LiberalJustice wrote:
This is
outrageously
wrong. The boy should be arrested and charged with rape, regardless of his age. The school ought to be sued, especially since they failed to protect her after the incident. Oh, and (
sarcasm on
) I just loved the way the principal or whoever it was tried to blame the mother (I think it was the mother) by saying "You brought this on yourself by calling the police" (
sarcasm off
).
On top of that, this was done
while the other students were watching
, so they handled this way below just plain "poorly", they handled it atrociously. I wouldn't say the lack of response is anything new, though. Most schools generally turn a blind eye to bullying of any sort, but especially sexual harassment/rape/bullying of a sexual nature, often because that subject is considered "taboo" by society as a whole, the same way spousal abuse is. Most children generally don't know much about this sort of thing, as parents often have the idea of "They're children, they don't need to know about (this/that/the other)", and thus feel the need to shelter their kids. That said, even a 9-year-old should know that rape is a serious crime that should be dealt with accordingly.
Yes, it is a tragic comedy, the world we live in.
And people wonder why the victim is always blamed. Just look at the way the people in power, the people in authority, the people who are supposed to be moral, failed to respond morally and decently. It really any wonder this world is screwed up. The fact is victim blaming is the norm and not the exception. I see this trend as slowly changing, hopefully things are better since 2008, although probably not much better.
Mithos
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:46 am
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2008...Man, That brings back Highschool memories. I thought reviving old topics was against the law.
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