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[quote="vileseagulls"][quote="hale_bopp"]No, people with aspergers are not more likely to be bisexual.[/quote] How do you know? Do you have a study to back that up? Women with aspergers are more likely to be androgynous, so there's definitely something going on with gender.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>spectre6691</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:59 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well as an aspie who is also bisexual and a psychology student, there is research suggesting that everyone is bisexual to varying degrees. <br /> <br />Its called the Kinsey scale and it runs from 1 to 6 <br /> <br />1 implies attracted to the opposite gender and 6 implies to same <br /> <br />The theory suggests that everyone is bisexual however in a majority of cases one impulse overrides the other. <br />I am a 3 on the scale relatively even, however that is pretty uncommon.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>gailryder17</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 11:32 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>vileseagulls wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Bloodheart wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">IF aspies are more likely to be bisexual (or pansexual, or asexual) I'd think it would be because we can be less confined by social norms</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Agreed. I'm bi, and my only concern with it was that I was christian at the time. Once I determined that I was comfortable with it, and asked if my church was and was told no, the church was what went. I'm practical that way. :p (For the record - that wasn't when I became an atheist, no one jump down my throat.) As an example of trusting my own thoughts over social norms.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I'm an atheist too. I'm gay on the spectrum of bi.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>kiwi</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 3:04 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Yes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Yes <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif" alt="Cool" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>sara_emt91</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:56 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I once read an article somewhere saying it was more common for Aspies to have problems with identifying their sexual preference. I think its because we don't always understand ourselves along with social norms, people called me a dyke and lesbian since elementary school, but it wasn't until I was about 13 or 14 I realized how true it actually was. I've dated men, I would like a male partner, however I feel more attracted to women. Its hard since I don't want to label myself as bi or lez, and more annoying as to how unaccepting people are if you aren't heterosexual!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ravingjoy</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:08 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Are aspies more likely to be bisexual?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I asked my son this after he was just recently diagnosed and then I discovered I was too, and I have always known I was bisexual from 5 yrs old, tho now at 59 for the last 10 yrs have been identifying lesbian, and have no desire to ever have a male lover again. <br /> <br />My son came out bisexual at the age of 30 and I had always suspected as much, thought he might be gay as a child, but started dating women. <br /> <br />He says it has to do with mirroring. <br /> <br />I think maybe it's just not listening to all the social conventions as much. Or a Pleadian thing. hmmm.....or the shaman thing, many shamans are bisexual, read that somewhere. traditionally at least. <br /> <br />Socially, I'm way done with men, live around mostly gay men, I enjoy their company, and go to lesbian parties. ok with me. Love my gayborhood.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Catamount</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:19 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Interesting discussion. I'm not sure if I would say that Aspies are more likely to be bisexual but at the same time, I'm completely not surprised by the amount of bi threads here. One poster mentioned the Kinsey study, which found that very few people are completely gay or completely straight so on that level, it seems that there wouldn't necessarily be a correlation between autism and bisexuality. But at the same time, from what I can tell, we Aspies tend to be very honest with ourselves and less constricted by social norms so perhaps there's something to it. <br /> <br />And in the interest of full disclosure, yeah, I think of myself as bi but made a conscious decision to lead a straight life in my early 20s mostly because I always wanted a family. I almost abandoned ship so to speak in my late 20s when the likelihood of getting married started to seem like a longshot but then the perfect woman walked into my life. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Joker</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:12 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Im bisexual I prefer women though I will have sex with men I just will not date them</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Mindslave</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:00 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think it's just that Aspies are more likely to be honest with themselves about who they really are instead of who they ought to be. This doesn't make them more likely to be bisexual, it just makes them more likely to understand what bisexual is. For every Senator caught sending e-mails, there are probably 10 more who don't get caught. I think other people gave an answer of this variety.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Zen</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:58 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Joe90 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I have strong feelings for men, but they are completely different to what I have with my female friends. With females I just have friendship feelings. But I could ever fancy a woman, or have any sexual feelings for them, even if someone was really beautiful. I might say, ''she's pretty'', or even, ''she's beautiful''. But no feelings are there like they are for men. ... <br /> <br />Am I the only Aspie who is not bisexual?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />No. I am exactly the same as this only I'm male. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Joe90</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:51 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">But...not all Aspies are bisexual, right? I've just checked my fingers and my ring finger is shorter than my index finger and middle finger. Yes. And I never have feelings for women - not like I do men. I go about the normal behaviour of females with other females. Us females are very critical of eachother, and we also admire eachother too, but that doesn't make us lesbians - no way. I often hear the other females in my family talking about different size breasts on different women they know, and they also take a lot of notice of eachother's body size and figure. That's not homosexuality - that is normal. I have strong feelings for men, but they are completely different to what I have with my female friends. With females I just have friendship feelings. But I could never fancy a woman, or have any sexual feelings for them, even if someone was really beautiful. I might say, ''she's pretty'', or even, ''she's beautiful''. But no feelings are there like they are for men. I think it's childish to call someone a lesbian just because they say a woman is beautiful. <br /> <br />Am I the only Aspie who is not bisexual?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>visagrunt</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:31 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think that we make a mistake when we lump together sex characteristics, social sex roles and behaviours and sexual orientation. The three are interlinked, certainly, but a variation in one does not necessitate a variation in all three. More importantly, the causes of a variation in one are not necessarily the cause of a variation in another. <br /> <br />Certainly hormone balance <span style="font-style: italic">in utero</span> affects fetal development--that's axiomatic. Sex hormones affect human behaviour--equally true. <br /> <br />But to suggest that the same differences in hormone balance could be responsible for differential development of the hippocampus, of finger length, of sex role behaviour and of sexual orientation seems to me to be uncritical. <br /> <br />But steering back to the original question, I subscribe to a view that the general tendency for Aspies to be more socially isolated also creates a disconnect for teen and young adult aspies from social conditioning. Differences from typical sexual orientation may be viewed much more objectively by Aspie youth than by NT youth. Indeed, I suspect that for many Aspie youth who are undiagnosed, they may ascribe their social isolation to their sexual orientation, rather than to other reasons (that was most certainly the case for me).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>HamOfCydonia</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:23 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Sorry to quote from way back, but I thought it was pretty interesting... <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>vileseagulls wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Women with aspergers are more likely to be androgynous, so there's definitely something going on with gender.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/health-12401967?SThisEM" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="postlink" >BBC article: Male sex hormone testosterone 'interferes with empathy'</a> <br /> <br />I know people give hundreds of reasons for why people get ASDs, but I thought this followed from your point - it says the standard 'men get it more than women' but also talks about how women with high testosterone are more likely to be on the spectrum. Maybe that's something to do with the 'androgyny' in women? And if so, would high testosterone make a woman more likely to be bisexual? <br /> <br />As an aspie bi woman myself, I think this is interesting because I do have a standard 'male finger' from testosterone (where your ring finger is longer than your index finger) but I don't think of myself as particularly androgynous.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Joe90</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:09 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I am not bisexual, no way, mate!!! <br /> <br />Although I've been a tomboy all my life, I will have love feelings for men. I always will.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>kohne</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:51 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Happily bi, but also monogamous. My mate is the same. (I think there is a big cultural misunderstanding that being open to both means you necessarily need both at the same time, and so you can't be monogamous.) <br /> <br />As I look at sexuality, I don't accept 'straight' to be the default 'healthy program' in a person. Also, I don't accept that gays are simply born gay. <br /> <br />(I think some attention has to be given to de-constructing that argument, as it's become a gay battle-cry of sorts. I think gays were actually forced to take on the genetic predisposition argument for political expediency, to deflect nasty Stonewall-era rhetoric about them being willful sinners. Sure, it deflected the rhetoric, but it has turned a debate about rights into one of evading culpability for what the Right describes as evil actions. So we have allowed value to be taken away from our choices of who to love and how to love them, corrupting gay sexuality into some sort of imperative, derived from a genetic defect that forces us to sin. My genes are not defective, and my love is a choice, not a sin.) <br /> <br />No, I think we are born with the capacity to love others regardless of gender, and to be attracted by any number of things in our environment, and that we make conscious decisions on how to act on those drives; we are not simply puppets. There is a large amount of socialization that directs us to express these drives toward members of the "right" species, age group, social class, ethnicity, and apparent sex... rather than shoes or diapers or cartoon characters. Obviously, interesting things can happen in this socialization that yields variations. Although this identity is still a bit flexible down the road, it becomes pretty firmly entrenched. So I can see how a person might consider their sexuality genetic, due to its apparent permanence. <br /> <br />I'm pretty sure that if humans were raised without any socialization, they would be much more indiscriminate about their partners. Dogs can form a similarly deep affection for furniture and guests' legs until they meet with a rolled-up newspaper or spray bottle. I'm sure wolves learn appropriate targets from their pack as they grow up. Really, if people would speak more in terms of the choices they are making, instead of what their genes (or jeans) are telling them to do... it'd be better all around.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ForsakenRose</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:08 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I am bisexual but I think mostly out of confusement with socialness in general. I have had straight and lesbian sex. I don't find either very easy but that's just me with everything and everyone!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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