Post 4029610 - (I really hate Gay stereotypes)

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[quote="AstroGeek"][quote="richardbenson"]I wasnt looking for anyone to agree with me on any definition dude. i was expressing my opinion on what i think true ghey really is and sombody had a flipout over it, thats all.

i think alot more people would be accepting of homosexuals is they werent so far out there with there awful getup. 
i guess i'm just not a scene whore and dont understand the whole "culture" of it all[/quote]
I don't see what qualifies you to set standards for what is "truly gay." Nor anyone else. It is not some society where one must perform some ritual before each meeting, or a political party where one must agree with the 10 Founding Principles. It is being attracted to someone of the same sex and being able to live with it (I am paraphrasing visagrunt's definition here, because I think it's a good one). Although personally I do not find really effeminate guys attractive, I have no problem with those that do. That would be as ridiculous as me (a musical theatre lover) having a problem with someone who loves [i]Cats [/i](which I think is stupid and plotless) and saying that they're not true musical fans because the show they really like doesn't have a story to it and shouldn't qualify as theatre.

And why should homosexuals have to conform to societal norms to be accepted? If we did that then we'd all be in the closet. Really, that thinking is actually kind of sexist (this is an academic point--not an accusation). It shows an expectation for people to follow traditional gender roles. Men shouldn't be allowed to be flamboyant or dress up because it goes against what is seen as normal for a man to do? Perhaps this reaction just reflects my tendency to discard pragmatism in favour of ideals--I don't see why anyone should have to conform to social standards and expectations (unless they'd somehow be hurting someone--after all, we want people to all follow the same rules of the road). I'd reply to your statement that what we need to change are society's expectations to get acceptance, rather than change the people who are trying to be accepted.

And by the way, I do not really fit any of the stereotypes you mention, so am not saying this out of self-defence. I am not overly masculine, but certainly not feminine. I spend as little time as possible choosing my clothes, never buy any expensive clothing (it goes on my list of "frivolous" things) unless it's expensive because it's made to last, half the time forget to comb my hair in the morning, have a very traditional taste in décor, am extremely into science, and am fairly introverted (like to call myself an opinionated introvert). About the only way that I fit gay stereotypes is that I love show tunes. And ABBA, which isn't normal for a straight guy. Oh, and I'm extremely neat, but that comes more from my AS and a borderline obsessive compulsive personality than anything. I might not be anything like a gay stereotype, and they might not be people I'd be well matched to be best friends with, but that doesn't mean I think less of them.[/quote]

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