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[quote="TallyMan"][quote="Gedrene"]What's Cyclothymia? I see what it says on the wiki but could I ask about personal experience?[/quote] For me, most of the time it doesn't cause me any problems, but occasionally (every few years) the mood swings become much more severe and unstable. This is the first time I've taken medication to try to help me because frankly without it I think there is a high probability I would take my own life. When relatively normal (this lasts for a number of years) in the up phase I'm a positive person, highly creative, quite chatty and friendly and hard working. In the down phase I tend to be negative in outlook and tend to expect the worst to happen, I have little energy to do things even those that I normally enjoy doing. I tend to withdraw from people and am not very talkative and have difficulty thinking of things to even talk about. People don't generally find me to be a moody person, but instead rather laid-back and easy going. Over the years several people have said I'm like Spock on Star Trek, unemotional and logical. This must be the Asperger side of me. When the swings become more severe, as they are at the moment, in the up phase I have difficulty sleeping because my mind just won't stop or slow down to allow me to sleep. Ideas and thoughts bombard me none-stop. My mind is like a whirlwind. When like this I am extremely creative and can do lots of work or solve very complex problems. It is like the accelerator pedal in my brain is jammed down hard. I tend to talk very quickly and be almost ecstatic with happiness. However, with only the slightest trigger (or no trigger at all) that mood can swing into despair. In the down phase I tend to sleep a lot, be very miserable and have suicidal thoughts. I am unable to think clearly and my emotions are very jumbled. I am unable to relate to people in a coherent manner and tend to read the worst into the slightest thing that happens or that people do. I try to avoid talking to people when this low because I cannot connect with them at all and tend to push people away, so I just wait for the lows to pass, usually secretly, not even telling those closest to me the severity of how low I feel. Today I'm moderately upbeat and looking forward to doing some programming work. The most bizarre thing about cyclothymia, for me anyway, (when it goes into big swings) is that when high it is impossible to comprehend why I felt suicidal the day before or will maybe feel suicidal the following day. When in the low state it is impossible to comprehend how I could possibly be so happy and positive the day before or that I might be that high and happy again tomorrow. It is a complete roller coaster of extreme emotions. However, as I mentioned, the severe bouts only occur every few years. The last time I was this bad was eight years ago and led to a serious suicide attempt. I'm now 51 but suspect that I've suffered from cyclothymia from at least my early twenties. There is some blurring of the lows with depression too, something which tends to be relatively common in people with AS too. My first serious suicidal thoughts occurred when I was in my early teens, but I think they were more related to Aspergers plus clinical depression. I don't remember any rapid cycling in mood back then. For the most part I think cyclothymia is a positive thing when the swings are relatively small. The boost of energy and creativity make life worth living and enjoyable. The lows don't tend to be that bad, relatively speaking and can be lived with. I read somewhere that cyclothymia is grossly undiagnosed and is often considered by medical professionals to be a personality trait rather than a disorder - unless the swings start to become severe. @FaeryEthereal - How do your experiences compare with mine? Are they similar at all? I do have periods when I feel level, like this moment in time, I'm neither low nor high, maybe just slightly on the up phase.[/quote]
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jackbus01
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:15 pm
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I am glad to hear you are doing better.
I try to keep track of objective things like: how many hours I sleep, how often I eat etc., for me that sometimes helps to figure out if I am starting having a mood swing. I also listen to feedback from others. It doesn't
always
work, but my brain shifts mood and really don't know why until way
after
the fact. You might want to continue staying on a mood stabilizer though.
slave
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:34 pm
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TallyMan wrote:
slave wrote:
How often can you identify a trigger?
Sometimes, but on other occasions there is a sense of something being wrong that I can't put my finger on - almost a sense of dread or foreboding about things. I think the word "trigger" can be a bit misleading because it implies it is the
cause
of a sudden mood shift, whereas I think the brain/mind has
already
shifted in such a way as to predispose it to a small trigger having a disproportionate effect on mood.
My cerebral Veterinarian has come to believe that each shift in mood is in response to a trigger. These triggers can be extremely subtle from sounds and smells to even bodily postures and so on. I don't know what to believe because I rarely sense a trigger although sometimes in hindsight I can see them.
TallyMan
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:01 am
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slave wrote:
How often can you identify a trigger?
Sometimes, but on other occasions there is a sense of something being wrong that I can't put my finger on - almost a sense of dread or foreboding about things. I think the word "trigger" can be a bit misleading because it implies it is the
cause
of a sudden mood shift, whereas I think the brain/mind has
already
shifted in such a way as to predispose it to a small trigger having a disproportionate effect on mood.
slave
Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 7:50 pm
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TallyMan wrote:
Thanks for the positive wishes folks. I'm OK at the moment. That is the thing with cyclothymia - you can be fine for days, weeks or months then suddenly at rock bottom and suicidal with only a small trigger. Similarly with the highs, combined with Aspie special interests they can be really good times, living focussed on something and hardly sleeping due to the fascination and wonderment with the subject.
How often can you identify a trigger?
Asp-Z
Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:41 am
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Sounds a lot like me, I'm seeing a doctor soon because I probably have some sort of bipolar too. I know how all that feels, when you feel down just think of the good times and remember they will be back
TallyMan
Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:09 am
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Thanks for the positive wishes folks. I'm OK at the moment. That is the thing with cyclothymia - you can be fine for days, weeks or months then suddenly at rock bottom and suicidal with only a small trigger. Similarly with the highs, combined with Aspie special interests they can be really good times, living focussed on something and hardly sleeping due to the fascination and wonderment with the subject.
Asp-Z
Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:58 am
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To quote Stephen Fry (who also has cyclothymia): "The mood is your own personal weather, and it's very like the weather: if you go outside and it's raining, it is real, you can't walk it off and suddenly it's sunny, the weather makes up its own mind... We all know that it can be a damn nuisance when it's raining, but the sun will come out... It will become incredibly sunny."
Hang in there
slave
Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:35 pm
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I'm glad your status is reasonable at the moment. I wish that you were not suffering as you are.
Peace to you.
TallyMan
Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 8:25 pm
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slave wrote:
Tallyman,
How are you doing now?
I'm OK at the moment. No depression and I'm off the medication, just taking the occasional mood stabiliser when necessary. Still up and down but within reasonable limits. I do think that eventually the cyclothymia + Aspergers will be the death of me though, it is just a matter of time; but hopefully not for a good number of years yet.
slave
Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 7:36 pm
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Tallyman,
How are you doing now?
JoeRose
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:11 pm
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Hey there TallyMan!
I can definitely relate to this post. I'm self-diagnosed cyclothymic although whenever I have a mental status examination with a psych it always mentions hypomania and depression. So I don't know whether they've diagnosed me and just not told me! (Not sure how diagnosis works out in England... I think they only diagnose you once you've completely fallen off the rails. Which I've never done)!.
anyway, I can relate to a lot of what you've said. What I find helps me on the blue days is remembering that it WILL get better again. As much as it feels it won't and that nothing could ever get better - you learn from experience that it always does. So you've just got to keep telling yourself that the depression is only temporary. That's what I find helps anyway
Hope you're feeling better,
Joe
Kyra71
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:45 am
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I'm late to this thread, but glad you're feeling better! I have bipolar & AS, and it's a constant struggle for me too. But always heartening to see that what goes down
does
come back up eventually... I hope you're in for a better phase (and that it lasts a good long time!)
qwan
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:32 am
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I think I have cyclothymia. I'm dx by the Gp or someone with it anyway, if that counts. *shrugs*
I've had such fast cycling. Like one time I was up and down within minutes. 15 minutes I was hyper the next 15 I was suicidal. It didn't help that during my hyper stage I was begining to have a sugar crash but was too busy to eat, so when I got all down the sugar crash reached its peak and I was shaking and feeling sick and crying. Then they started blurring and I was having a mixed episode and my mom came in and got scared. =/
It passed soon enough but was horrible.
I think my anti-depressants make my mood shifts more frequent but I don't want mood stabilisers in case I'll never be hypomanic again; because I go years without knowing when the last time I was happy was. And when I'm hypomanic, I know what it feels like to be kinda happy. I don't like the idea of getting rid of that to balance it out. >_<
It's not always that bad, but mixed episodes are the worst thing. I think I'm going insane. =/
Glad you're feeling a bit better now TallyMan. I'm sure it's a case of getting used to the meds and retraining your brain to deal with the extra (theoretical) weight of drowsiness the meds cause. After all, the brain is a muscle, so in theory it's possible, just difficult.
*hugs* to everyone suffering.
TallyMan
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:53 am
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Just to add an update. I think the medication is working now. I've been quite stable the last couple of days and the severe depressive bouts appear to have gone. I hope they don't come back! The medication is still causing drowsiness but that is easing, presumably as my body gets used to the drugs. Thank you to the people who have posted in this thread, it has helped.
FaeryEthereal
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:27 pm
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TallyMan wrote:
When the Cyclothymia is less extreme I've found I can generally live with the highs and lows. I know that in a few hours time or few days I will be feeling level or high again. Cyclothymia is part of my temperament too. In fact I only discovered Cyclothymia a year or so ago after it was suggested to me by someone who also experiences similar tendencies. My doctor has since confirmed this suggestion. It is certainly a complex issue. When the highs are applied to the special interests of Aspergers it can make us highly creative and intuitive in those areas and give us insights that most people are oblivious of.
So very true and very validating to hear it from someone else who also has both AS & Cyclothymia.
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