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[quote="AspieRoss"]Maybe it came out wrong, but what I meant to say was that being all-inclusive means that we must include everyone who is non-straight... so including Pedos/Animal lovers/Bigamists etc. This is why it took so long for gays to get basic civil rights. If your notion is that we MUST include all non-straights into the GBLT alliances, etc, than we MUST include EVERYONE. This is why Prop 8 Passed. (Besides the fact that the Mormon church funded the California proposal). AND I don't think its the gay community that is keeping Bisexuals away.... its the Male Bisexuals who troll the gay chat rooms looking for love on the DownLow. They are afraid to admit who they are in private/let alone in public. Pedos have NAMBLA, so they don't need LGBT groups.... Transgenders/Transexuals need much more support than any Gay group can give. Personally I just can't see that any of us were born wrong. (There are some people who think they should not have been born with both legs or arms, so they cut them off...is this okay???) Nazis/Eugenicists told gay people they were born the wrong sex and attempted crude sex change operations to "correct" them. I just don't agree with the idea that you were born WRONG! I was born gay, so now any right-winger can just say, oh you were born the wrong sex - your not gay. I was not Born WRONG. That is an insult to me and to all of "god's creations" or whatever you believe in. [b][i] its funny how we talk about our inability to be "social" with people, and how we are always misunderstood by neuro-typicals, but the instant one of us posts something we don't all agree with,,, certain members talk about banning members, instead of opening a dialogue and trying to help them learn/and maybe learn something ourselv[/b]es.[/i] My point for this post was NOT to get anyone mad at me. Believe me, being a gayAspie, I get enough of that. My point was that Bisexuals and Transexuals (Sorry to all the Transexuals out there, I did NOT mean to offend you) would be better served by having their OWN chat rooms and support groups, because their issues are Different than Gay/Lesbian issues. Obviously we need to HELP each other out whenever we can, but maybe having a hyper-focussed support group would be better than having one large group focus mostly on gay/lesbian issues and ignoring the Transgender issues. (For instance- Most gay men I have talked to NEVER want to get married, they just want equal rights/benefits... it was really the Lesbians who pushed for gay marriage) Personally it would be nice if ALL the Anti-Gay Sodomy Laws were overturned... this to me is more pressing of a concern then the ability to sign a marriage contract. There are some states in the US where you can be jailed for committing sodomy with another willing same-sex adult, yet if you did the same act with an opposite sex member, then its legal! I mean come one -WTF! I think as gays or people with Autism or Aspergers or any other "label" - We need to get the message out that we were BORN THIS WAY and that WE ARE NOT MISTAKES!!!! again, I apologize if I came off as a right-winger,, I am not. (I actually believe both left and right wingers are wrong,,too caught up in party bullsht to do what is right for society. Political parties work together against US. -example: Predatory Lenders/Banks destroyed the lives of thousands of homebuyers, yet the Politicians bailed THEM out... not the people who were preyed upon).[/quote]
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Kheelan
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:12 pm
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I haven't Read the whole 10 pages, only the first 3 replies.
It's all connected to eachother.
On the outside i'm a straight male, But inside i'm a lesbian Girl.
That makes me Straight, lesbian and Transsexual.
And gay? maybe if i start on hormones my interests shift from women to men.
Hormones can have that effect.
just my 2cts oc
Shelbo
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:20 pm
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This is upsetting.
I'm bisexual, and at times (since I'm pretty fluid in my sexuality) I come across as straight up lesbian. What I mean to say is I support the rights of the LG part, not just the B, and I even love the T part. There's a strict difference between bi girls and bicurious drunk girls, you know.
Yuugiri
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:38 am
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I'm upset that this thread even exists.
Gender and sexuality go hand in hand. Both can fall under the label of "queer", for the simple reason that they deviate from the norm. There is nothing wrong with this, and I find it reprehensible (as well as highly hypocritical) that a group of people who have a history of being ostracized are in turn ostracizing others.
As others have stated, there is a startling amount of biphobia among gays and lesbians. This is not okay.
Thankfully, it looks like the majority of those responding to this thread are rejecting attitudes like the one displayed by the OP... not like it really matters, as this thread was started way back in 2011.
EDIT: Wow, didn't even notice the last post was made a month ago. This subforum is very inactive.
The_Funktasm
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:24 pm
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In a word, no. In two words,
hell no
.
I would drop the allies if anything, but even that is just my own personal, stupid opinion. One formed through distaste of a completely different sort of people.
Mysty
Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:11 pm
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Ettina wrote:
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Mysty wrote:
In it's most common wrong usage, pedophile refers to someone who engages in sexual behavior with children, with or without sexual desire to go with those actions.
Rectification
YOUR opinion that that's wrong usage.
It's the DSM's opinion too. Pedophilia is a psychiatric diagnosis. It does not require that you ever touch a child, just
want to touch them
.
(Sorry, I have no idea how to make quotes within quotes.)
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Have you ever heard anybody say "I'm questioning?" Me neither.
I have. People say it all the time on
Empty Closets
.
And I hate when someone asks a question and assumes what the answer is without waiting for a reply. I'd much prefer if you'd say 'I haven't' instead of 'me neither'.
The DSM doesn't not definite what words mean. It defines psychiatric diagnosis. That does NOT mean that a word they use for a diagnostic label only has the meaning they give it. No one put them in charge of the English language.
Ettina
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:02 pm
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Quote:
Mysty wrote:
In it's most common wrong usage, pedophile refers to someone who engages in sexual behavior with children, with or without sexual desire to go with those actions.
Rectification
YOUR opinion that that's wrong usage.
It's the DSM's opinion too. Pedophilia is a psychiatric diagnosis. It does not require that you ever touch a child, just
want to touch them
.
(Sorry, I have no idea how to make quotes within quotes.)
Quote:
Have you ever heard anybody say "I'm questioning?" Me neither.
I have. People say it all the time on
Empty Closets
.
And I hate when someone asks a question and assumes what the answer is without waiting for a reply. I'd much prefer if you'd say 'I haven't' instead of 'me neither'.
younginflavor18
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:26 am
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TheRedKipper wrote:
Keep it as LGBT, Transgender people get as much abuse as Gay and Lesbian people, why do you think it's called LGBT hmm?
As a heterosexual man I also agree, transgender men and women deserve the same protection rights from discriminaton as their gay, lesbian, bisexual peers have. I prefer to keep the term the way it is, no need to change it.
Kitutal
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:36 am
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I wonder, you say bi people don't show enough support for the LGBT cause to be worth including, I do wonder, firstly wouldn't those that feel like they can fit in with society and not need us not bother subscribing to the group at all, leaving only those who want to offer their support? and secondly, you know sexual orientation is often not that clear cut, people can be left unsure exactly where they are, what they want, and so can't always fit themselves into one side or the other, and need help from others that have been through similar.
On the issue, though, of feeling like it's a lot of disconnected people put together just to boost numbers, what about the idea of separate groups alongside the combined one, or sub-groups within it, to help those like ourselves, work together, and advocate our interests, whilst still being there for other people that need it.
Of course, in an ideal world, everyone would be willing to treat others in the way they should, as equals, and do what they can for each other, regardless of gender, orientation or anything else, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
Chloe33
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:18 am
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This sounds like high school gay clubs where lesbians or gays hate the bis since they've dated them and had them leave them for the opposites sex so for some reason Bis are not looked upon well all the time.
It's really a ridiculous notion as a partner could leave one for any gender male female etc.
It's a lousy reason to not like a group.
Since bis aren't straight and still get made fun of sometimes (not sure about nowadays) i would say they'll always include them in LGBT
that won't change. I see no reason not to include them. It's encompassing all who aren't heterosexuals.
Normally i identify with lesbian for decades. I've been in an relationship 5 years with a female.
However when she met me i was seeing a male and also a female. So i would rather not identify with anything that boxes me in.
turtleprince
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:34 pm
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Gays and Lesbians may be a great product placemtn on tv but that does not mean we have received no support from bisexuals. Your logic is faulty.
No, this is the time we fight for the rights of our transsexual and bisexual brothers and sisters.
I don't ever wanna read about someone fighting for the side of discrimination. That is a deep wrongness. We have been discriminated for years and we should learn to not become the discriminators. Bullies and victims are a part of the same coin. A victim turns into a bully and justifies their being a bully because they were victimized. Still doesn't make being a bully, okay. You're just continuing the cycle of making victims into bullies.
Ztrain
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:53 am
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Have you ever considered that gays and lesbians are often as unwelcoming as you are? This leads to bisexual erasure. Most gay people scoff at Bisexuals, saying "You just cant admitt your gay" So gay peoples exclusinary attitudes towards bi folks like your own opinions is what produces the effect you just described.
TheRedKipper
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:25 am
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Keep it as LGBT, Transgender people get as much abuse as Gay and Lesbian people, why do you think it's called LGBT hmm?
NeuroticDragoon
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:19 am
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fraac wrote:
Maybe, but isn't it better to be more inclusive? I think the aim is to eventually have a group including everyone.
The college I attend actually has a LGBTS group, which includes straight people. Of course if you aren't gay or lesbian, they treat you like you just murdered an entire preschool.
Their website doesn't help their cause, either. Looking at it reminds me more of a terrorist organization recruiting soldiers than an acceptance club collecting members. It actually scared me just to look at it.
Crazygirl79
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:02 pm
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I'd be doing the same if there was a middle finger icon available here...Sounds like AspieRoss might be suffering unhealthy doses of biphobia and transphobia...he should be ashamed of himself!
I think we should leave it as it is LGBT!!
S
XFilesGeek wrote:
If there was a "middle finger" icon on this site, I'd be using it right now.
It's always heart-warming to see disparaged minority groups being disparaging to other minority groups.
Have a lovely Christmas.
Razgriz
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:39 am
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Ive never understood how gays and lesbians can be so hateful to ANY minority, especially one which overlaps with them a lot. I mean seriously, you would think being oppressed would have taught us not to try and oppress others. But some people never learn. If you advance your own rights and agenda while trampling on the rights and agenda of a group that overlaps with you, you're nothing short of a complete hypocrite.
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