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[quote="kx250rider"][quote="Venger"][quote="CaptainTrips222"]I can't get a straight answer. Doctors say it's harmless, trainers say it can soften your muscle tone appearance, people tell me all the time it messes with your nerve cells in your brain. What?[/quote] It seems like the 0 calories in diet soda would improve muscle definiton/tone due to it lowering your body fat a little bit.[/quote] It does cause loss of muscle tone and increased body fat, due to chemical causes. The 0 calories is a ruse. If a person is diabetic, that's the only excuse to drink or eat things with artificial sweeteners, and I still stand by my opinion that WATER is all we need, and it's all I drink. Charles[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>shrox</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:23 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It just doesn't taste sweet to me! It tastes awful!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>1000Knives</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:19 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>psych wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>NextFact wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Diet sodas are filled with horrible ingredients. Sodium benzoate and aspartame are the worst, I cringe everytime I go to the grocery store and see someone buying diet soda, sometimes I want to confront them and tell them what that stuff really is, but I've never told anyone because I don't think they will believe me.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />pick a few key points that you can 100% definately prove from reputable primary sources and summarise in a few short sentences. <br /> <br />print onto address labels, add to a few cans in store. <br /> <br />dont bother doing too many at one store, because they are likely to be removed once discovered. the aim is to reach a few people each time.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I just told people I can't drink aspartame because it gave me headaches and once I stopped drinking it they stopped, then maybe bring up how it metabolizes into formaldehyde, and yeah. Usually people are like "oh, wow."</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>psych</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:42 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>NextFact wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Diet sodas are filled with horrible ingredients. Sodium benzoate and aspartame are the worst, I cringe everytime I go to the grocery store and see someone buying diet soda, sometimes I want to confront them and tell them what that stuff really is, but I've never told anyone because I don't think they will believe me.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />pick a few key points that you can 100% definately prove from reputable primary sources and summarise in a few short sentences. <br /> <br />print onto address labels, add to a few cans in store. <br /> <br />dont bother doing too many at one store, because they are likely to be removed once discovered. the aim is to reach a few people each time.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>shrox</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:44 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Desurage wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">...Eating sugars is far worse though, as another poster said...</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Really? Really? <br /> <br />Millions of years of animals and humans eating sugars, and a few dozen years of humans eating artificial sweeteners... <br /> <br />Which do you think I would trust?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Desurage</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:32 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Drinking anything but water is simply a risk. <br />Eating sugars is far worse though, as another poster said. Sugars are the easiest way to gain weight, period.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Billybones</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:15 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Wow, I'd been told that saccharin causes cancer, but didn't really know all the stuff about aspartame. I always thought that diet soda pops had a sort of synthetic, artificial, "chemical" taste, & sometimes a downright icky aftertaste, but figured it was still better than ingesting all that sugar. <br /> <br />I don't need to lose weight, so the excess calories aren't a problem so much for me, but I know it isn't good to have my teeth continually bathed in sugar water & carbonic acid. More problematic for me is the caffeine - I've frequently had insomnia, so it can be a major sleep-robber if I consume it at the wrong time of day. <br /> <br />So I've tried to switch to water. But sometimes I crave something a little more flavorful. If I must have diet soda, ginger ale or root beer are my current choices - no caffeine, less aftertaste. Or sometimes Gatorade.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>DJRAVEN66</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:21 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>artrat wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Non-diet sodas with the high sugar content are far worse. <br /> <br />It was not even been proven that aspartame is harmful. <br />You would have to digest 100 hundred times more than the average human drinks in a lifetime for it to effect you. <br />A large amount was given to lab rats and they developed cancer. <br />Humans are obviously bigger than lab rats and the small amount in sodas won't hurt you. <br /> <br />The obesity epidemic is caused by sugar and becoming obese is more likely than developing cancer from a small amount of aspartame. <br />I am currently taken a nutrition class and know quite a bit about this subject.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I disagre with you. i have brain leisions because of aspartame that cause me alot of problems.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>shrox</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:17 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">No artificial sweetener tastes sweet to me, kind of a major FAIL in my opinion...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JNathanK</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:45 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't trust aspartame or sucralose or even HFC. You should try stevia, since its natural and it has thousands of years of history as opposed to a few decades. Sucralose (Splenda) Is actually an organochloride, a typical chemical class for pesticides. In fact, it was discovered accidentally by a researcher who was trying to synthesize new pesticides. The lab assistant thought he was instructed to taste the concoction, and it turned out to be sweet. <br /> <br />I, myself drink a lot of organic, unsweetened herbal teas. Hibiscus flower tea is really good and loaded with antioxidants. Its really red and almost tastes like wine. It tastes good with a little bit of honey or stevia too. <br /> <br />It saves on aluminum (possibly a neuro-toxin) and shipping costs and weights to just drink tea as well. Better yet, drink water. Out ancestors survived millions of years without carmel pigmented, fizzy sugar water. I think we can too.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>auntblabby</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:23 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">diet soda has [so far] kept me from ending up like my late father [300+# and diabetic/heart disease/totally cripple by arthritis et al]. so it may not be as good for me as eating strictly macrobiotic and living in a commune, but it still has been better for me than many less healthy alternatives.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>artrat</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:35 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Non-diet sodas with the high sugar content are far worse. <br /> <br />It was not even been proven that aspartame is harmful. <br />You would have to digest 100 hundred times more than the average human drinks in a lifetime for it to effect you. <br />A large amount was given to lab rats and they developed cancer. <br />Humans are obviously bigger than lab rats and the small amount in sodas won't hurt you. <br /> <br />The obesity epidemic is caused by sugar and becoming obese is more likely than developing cancer from a small amount of aspartame. <br />I am currently taken a nutrition class and know quite a bit about this subject.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Mummy_of_Peanut</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:00 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't drink soda (or ginger as we call it here) much. But, if I do, it's always the full sugar one. I'm actually allergic to a group of preservatives (sodium benzoate and related products), which most diet drinks contain (and some originals too like our local drink Irn Bru). These have been linked to childhood hyperactivity too, which can't be good. I also like to avoid aspartame, as I do believe there's no smoke without fire on this one. So if I want a refreshing cool drink, I have pure fruit juice, watered down with water.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>snapcap</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:49 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Diet soda- how bad is it?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Venger wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>kx250rider wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Venger wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CaptainTrips222 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I can't get a straight answer. Doctors say it's harmless, trainers say it can soften your muscle tone appearance, people tell me all the time it messes with your nerve cells in your brain. What?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It seems like the 0 calories in diet soda would improve muscle definiton/tone due to it lowering your body fat a little bit.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It does cause loss of muscle tone and increased body fat, due to chemical causes. The 0 calories is a ruse. If a person is diabetic, that's the only excuse to drink or eat things with artificial sweeteners, and I still stand by my opinion that WATER is all we need, and it's all I drink. <br /> <br />Charles</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I know a person must drink some straight pure water everyday, and it's not the same if the water is mixed with something else like the water in juice or soda for example.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Mixing it with fruit juices like lemon could be benefical. And I mean freshly squeezed lemon.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Venger</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:05 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Diet soda- how bad is it?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>kx250rider wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Venger wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CaptainTrips222 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I can't get a straight answer. Doctors say it's harmless, trainers say it can soften your muscle tone appearance, people tell me all the time it messes with your nerve cells in your brain. What?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It seems like the 0 calories in diet soda would improve muscle definiton/tone due to it lowering your body fat a little bit.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It does cause loss of muscle tone and increased body fat, due to chemical causes. The 0 calories is a ruse. If a person is diabetic, that's the only excuse to drink or eat things with artificial sweeteners, and I still stand by my opinion that WATER is all we need, and it's all I drink. <br /> <br />Charles</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I know a person must drink some straight pure water everyday, and it's not the same if the water is mixed with something else like the water in juice or soda for example.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>kx250rider</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:56 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Diet soda- how bad is it?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Venger wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CaptainTrips222 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I can't get a straight answer. Doctors say it's harmless, trainers say it can soften your muscle tone appearance, people tell me all the time it messes with your nerve cells in your brain. What?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It seems like the 0 calories in diet soda would improve muscle definiton/tone due to it lowering your body fat a little bit.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It does cause loss of muscle tone and increased body fat, due to chemical causes. The 0 calories is a ruse. If a person is diabetic, that's the only excuse to drink or eat things with artificial sweeteners, and I still stand by my opinion that WATER is all we need, and it's all I drink. <br /> <br />Charles</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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