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[quote="Mysty"][quote="theaspiemusician"][quote="visagrunt"]Much as it pains me to say it, they have every right to say the things that they say, and I would not see them stopped[/quote] Why would they have a right to insult a kid, especially a kid that's not theirs?[/quote] He answered that. Read the rest of the post.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Ztrain</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:50 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I would take it as a compliment to be called a fag enabler by the westboro baptist church, and I imagine your sister will come to the same conclusion.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>jamieevren1210</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:50 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The WBC are the people who really should go to hell, not your sister or you or anyone else around here...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>slave</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:06 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>1000Knives wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">At my old church, a guy got his former girlfriend out of Westboro Baptist. When they broke up, he showed up at her house, and he got a Burglary 3rd charge, yay! Basically, the church is all entirely lawyers. Oddly, the head of Westboro was actually really helpful in the civil rights movement, so I guess that's in his favor. I believe the head of Westboro was disbarred, though. <br /> <br />But anyway, the only reason they say such outlandish things is to provoke people into punching or attacking them, so THEY can sue. You can't sue, it's "free speech" but they can sue you for your free punches. That's pretty much how Westboro works. <br /> <br />As far as theologically, well, Westboro basically ascribes to a really perverse view of Calvinism, where Westboro believes they are God's only chosen people. They "warn" to troll people, but could care less about the world around them, as they see their actions as basically infallible due to election by God. <br /> <br />But yes, they're lawyers and will sue YOU, and basically, don't feed the trolls.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Amongst their church members, there are <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">TWELVE</span></span> lawyers. Suits are how they make there living. You are correct. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Feralucce</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:34 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I covered them and their ilk in my blog. <br /> <br />I live in New Orleans, and these...please pardon my language (I prefer to avoid a vulgar argot)... make it a point to scream, yell and bully every person they come into contact with. <br /> <br />OP: I am sorry your sister was bullied by them. Take solace in the fact that I, personally, feel that these poor people are Non-NT and never received the help that they should have. <br /> <br />At this year's mardi gras, I was privileged to see one of them get their bullhorn confiscated and tossed in a paddy wagon. <br /> <br />If it makes any difference, they lost all of their tiny bit of credibility. <br /><a href="http://apple.copydesk.org/2012/02/20/even-westboro-baptist-church-lies-with-photoshop/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://apple.copydesk.org/2012/02/20/even-westboro-baptist-church-lies-with-photoshop/</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Stuffedwithempty</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:43 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I consider them narrow-minded, and bullies to go that far on an 11 year old expressing her opinion. You did the right thing sticking up for her ._.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>heavenlyabyss</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:30 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The Westboro Baptist Church is so incredibly stupid and idiotic and dumb and hateful and blah blah blah, etc etc, that I often wonder if they are on a mission. Is their mission to force the government to impose stricter free speech requirements? <br /> <br />Lol, I don't really believe that, I truly think they are idiots. Seriously, they are idiots, and I am going to say it over and over and over again, ad nauseum. <br /> <br />They mean nothing. They are pathetic.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CrazyCatLord</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:03 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>visagrunt wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Much as it pains me to say it, they have every right to say the things that they say, and I would not see them stopped. <br /> <br />Their message is hateful and hurtful, but it is precisely this type of message that challenges us to be tolerant. If free speech is to mean anything at all, it must be universal. The freedom they exercise is the same freedom that permits us to hold up a sign saying, "Gay is good."</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I agree that freedom of speech is important, but it is also impossible to deny that speech can be harmful. Even US law recognizes that and limits free speech when it comes to libel and slander. Many other countries have laws against hate speech for the exact same reason. <br /> <br />Hate speech is just another form of defamation. Not only is it hurtful for the victims, some of which are driven into suicide by verbal and textual bullying and harrassment, it can also incite physical violence against minority groups. Just look what Hitler accomplished with a hateful ideology and demagogy. Words do not only have the power to hurt, they can also dehumanize people in the public perception. That is not acceptable and cannot be tolerated. <br /> <br />"Gay is good" is not a discriminatory and inciting message, and there is no reason to limit this kind of free speech. But "god hates these people and thinks they are an abomination" is only a small step removed from "god wants us to punish them and purge them from society". Just look at Uganda, where lesbians are gang-raped, tortured and killed in public while the police stands by and does nothing. <br /> <br />It's sad that people are irrational animals that can easily be manipulated by words and ideologies. Some demagogue shouts "abortion doctors are baby murderers!", and some impressionable ape with a gun goes and shoots Dr. Tiller in the head in response. Words have power like that. I think it is the responsibility of a government to prevent attempts of mass manipulation that can lead to violence and suffering.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>justalouise</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:02 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>davidalan11235813 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> Really, I think the best approach is, as some have done, to organize counter-protests.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Counter-protests with a positive attitude are AMAZINGLY effective. I once organized a pro-choice dance party in front of my neighborhood Planned Parenthood (which is blighted with pro-lifers on a weekly basis), and the response from passers-by/traffic was overwhelmingly supportive, people flipped out (in a good way)!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>davidalan11235813</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:40 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">These people protested at a friend of mine's funeral a few years back. He was serving in the Army and died in combat (please don't make this a political thread. I'm anti-war, but he was still my friend, and his family didn't deserve to see those signs paraded around while they were grieving). As much as I'd like to dissolve them all alive in hydrofluoric acid, they have the right to express their beliefs in a public forum. Really, I think the best approach is, as some have done, to organize counter-protests.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Tequila</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:14 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><object width="660" height="405"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/taIAjEIKazU"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/taIAjEIKazU&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6&border=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="660" height="405"></embed></object><br /><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=taIAjEIKazU&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6&border=0" target="_blank"></a><br /> <br /> <br />This is what our man had to say about my country. Glad he thinks I am a sodomite, and that I live in the land of the sodomite damned. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Endinglignt</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:10 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Just do what I did when a religious person attacked me for liking anime because "anime leads into being gay" I sat in front of his church and watched anime on my iPad every Sunday for two months. I broke no law and offered no fight. Just sitting in front of his place watching anime.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sweetleaf</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:06 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Uhh why is your 11 year old sister hanging around anyone from that horrid place?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>werewolf</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:05 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">If that's how they make money then ignoring them is leaving their effort in vain. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_thumleft.gif" alt="thumleft" border="0" /> ignoring.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>InTheDeepEnd</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:12 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">This was on the Internet that this happened? In my opinion, your sister was in a forum or on a website where an 11 year old should not have been.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>justalouise</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:17 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>1000Knives wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Oddly, the head of Westboro was actually really helpful in the civil rights movement, so I guess that's in his favor. I believe the head of Westboro was disbarred, though. <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Be that as it may, that man is a tyrannical, abusive piece of .</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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