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[quote="EXPECIALLY"][quote="Apple_in_my_Eye"]As to why people transition -- the overall reality is that different people can have different reasons. For some it's a completely physical problem, but for others it actually is more of a social role type thing. I.e. Some hate their original genitals, but others don't. It can get complicated because sometimes a person who feels one way will say that those who feel differently aren't "true" transsexuals.[/quote] Interesting. I don't know too many trans folk. Do you mean the people who say that others aren't "true transsexuas" aren't trans because they experience gender dysphoria, but don't hate their bodies and don't mind living as their bio sex?[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AdamAdam</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:49 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think a lot of people are confusing gender identity with how masculine/feminine someone is. Obviously they are generally linked, but someone can be much more masculine or feminine than their sex stereotype is supposed to be, but not identify as a different sex. <br /> <br />For example a woman can have a very "male brain" and still identify completely as a woman. That's not the same as a FTM (female to male) transsexual - a FTM could even be quite feminine. <br /> <br />As far as I'm concerned there are different things getting mixed up here: <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Physical sex</span> - whether you're born male, female, intersex <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Assigned gender</span> - whether you're raised as a boy or a girl (usually corresponds to physical sex <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Gender identity </span>- whether you FEEL male, female or both/neither <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Level of masculinity/femininity</span> - often related to physical sex, usually related to gender identity, but not always related to either (ie feminine gay men, or masculine women) <br /> <br />All of the above are seperate and very different things. And people can come in any combination. The only exception really is that assigned gender is almost always the same as physical sex, except in the cases where a baby is born obviously (physically) intersex <br /> <br />I hope that makes sense. <br /> <br />For the record, I am physically female (as far as I know - outwardly anyway), assigned female at birth and raised as a girl, gender identity is definitely male and I am fairly masculine I think. <br /> <br />But my point is that I don't identify as male BECAUSE I'm masculine. Someone can be a masculine woman or a feminine guy.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CrazyCatLord</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:52 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>techn0teen wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Plus, how is not calling transsexualism a disorder supposed to help convince insurance companies to cover treatment?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />We can call it a physical disorder instead.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />That makes sense to me. Being born in the wrong body is a disorder, but the only medical treatment is to alter the body so that it matches a person's self-image. The brain cannot and should not be "fixed", so it's a disorder of the body and not of the brain.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Pileo</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:26 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> I was treated for my transgenderism as a mental disorder, with psychotropics, that did nothing but make me worse.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I question your doctors credibility. There is a specific <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standards_of_Care_for_the_Health_of_Transsexual,_Transgender,_and_Gender_Nonconforming_People" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="postlink" >standard of care [Linky]</a> for transfolk and pumping the patient full of drugs is not standard practice. Certified surgeons will not operate unless there's documentation that these standards were followed. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">treated for my transgenderism as a mental disorder</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">doctors will try to treat it like a mental disorder.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> But transsexualism often needs a physical surgery to help the patient. What other mental disorders need that? Therapy and a pill isn't going to solve a transsexual's inner dilemma.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />No one has ever said that there was a specific way to treat mental disorders. Medications and therapy are only the most common treatments because they're all we really have in our little bag of tricks for most, not all, disorders. We're simply are not technologically and medically advanced enough to do make any major changes to brain structure without any permanent, if not fatal, repercussions. Gender Dysphoria is only one of many mental disorders that do not respond to any medications and very have limited success in therapy. Since all the options for treatment do not work, the only options left is to either let the patient transition or give up on them. The point of the surgeries is not to cure but to let the patient cope easier. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">We can call it a physical disorder instead.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I googled for the term and the only thing that comes up is a Wikipedia page with three short paragraphs and no citations. From what I read in the wiki page, it's an attempt to separate mental disorders from ones that can be tested for and ones that can't. Since there is no test for Gender Dysphoria, I can't see how it helps. Although we know it has to do with brain structure, there hasn't been enough testing and research to make a diagnostic test out of it. Thus it would not be labeled as a Physical Disorder.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>techn0teen</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:45 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Pileo wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Every time someone says transsexualism isn't a mental disorder, I want to slap them because it demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of terms and of mental disorders.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I want to slap people who say that transsexualism and transgenderism <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a mental disorder. I was treated for my transgenderism as a mental disorder, with psychotropics, that did nothing but make me worse. If you call it a mental disorder, doctors will try to treat it like a mental disorder. And that label as a mental disorder has harmed me and other people. That's why there is such a move to end it. <br /> <br />It's like calling gay and lesbian a mental disorder. <br /> <br />There isn't anything wrong with having a mental disorder. But transsexualism often needs a physical surgery to help the patient. What other mental disorders need that? Therapy and a pill isn't going to solve a transsexual's inner dilemma. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Plus, how is not calling transsexualism a disorder supposed to help convince insurance companies to cover treatment?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />We can call it a physical disorder instead.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>techn0teen</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:34 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">No, transgenderism is not a mental disorder. Why? Because if one tries to treat transgenderism like a mental disorder, with psychotropics, it almost always makes it worse. <br /> <br />However, transgenderism can trigger already underlying mental disorders. It is stressful feeling 24/7 that your body has betrayed you. And stress is a trigger for many mental illnesses. <br /> <br />But I do consider transgenderism a disorder of some sort, because it often impairs a person's ability to function everyday. So some form of treatment is needed to help the person cope. <br /> <br />I see transgenderism in three main categories: <br /> <br />1) Those who feel comfortable with their biological body but not with their perceived gender (Ex. I like my boy parts, but I'd rather live as a girl). Needs therapy and support at very most. Presents as opposite of their biological sex. This is not crossdressing because it is a permanent transition rather than temporary. They are transgender in the truest sense of the word, because they are simply "crossing gender". <br /> <br />2) Those who feel uncomfortable with their biological body and perceived gender. Needs some form of body modification to lead a happy and productive life. Often gets hormones and some type of top surgery in addition to therapy. Transitions to the other gender socially as well. <br /> <br />3) Those who feel uncomfortable to the point that they need surgery for their genitals. Once a person undergoes SRS (sex reassignment surgery), I refer to that person as a transsexual. Because they go from changing gender to changing their sex. <br /> <br />Personally, I am degree 2. And there is far more to express but these are the three most common cases I come across. <br /> <br />However, I would not force the label of transsexual on anyone who would rather be called "transgender". I feel that transsexual is stigmatized more because it was the word "sex" in it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Pileo</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:58 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">If you mean transsexualism... <br /> <br />Well, the source of the problem is inside the brain, it interferes with people lives (particularly in youth) and it's something that generally requires treatment. Therefore, I believe it's a mental disorder. I'm a transman, FYI. <br /> <br />It kind of offends me people have such a negative attitude towards mental disorders. Having a mental disorder doesn't make you insane, it doesn't make it any less of a problem, it's perfectly natural (many mental disorders are genetic and you don't get more natural than that) and it doesn't make it "just inside your head". There's nothing wrong with having a mental disorder. Every time someone says transsexualism isn't a mental disorder, I want to slap them because it demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of terms and of mental disorders. <br /> <br />Plus, how is not calling transsexualism a disorder supposed to help convince insurance companies to cover treatment?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ScientistOfSound</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:53 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">?? <br /> <br />I don't feel the need to conform gender roles and I feel like I'm both male and female however I am comfortable with my body and don't intend to change it. It's never caused me any distress or problem, so why is it considered a "disorder?"</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>sukilollipop</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:07 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: transgender</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>EXPECIALLY wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>sukilollipop wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Isn't the ability to empathise at the heart of AS? <br /> <br />I wonder if transgenderedness is related to the way we perceive ourselves in others: you look at someone do you see an example of yourself in someone of the same physical gender? If not perhaps you feel more familiar with someone of the opposite physical gender. I'm definitely neurotypical, I have no problems communicating with anyone and get just about any social situation often before everyone else but have always felt that communicating with men (my physical gender) has been rather cumbersome.. I've wondered if all men are AS at times <br />Anyway here I am thinking out loud. I'm sure there's a link of some kind and thought I'd try this site to see if anyone had interesting ideas on the matter</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />IKWYM. <br /> <br />The empathy thing with AS is complicated, I personally, feel like I see pieces of myself in SO many people and pieces of them in me, so in that aspect I have an overactive sense of empathy. <br /> <br />I think some trans people do feel that way and others don't, they just feel like they sex they weren't assigned to and can't relate with their own gender. I relate to both men and women on a deeper level, but I guess I would have to say that I still relate to men more often on a practical level, and that it still feels like pretending with women (I'm gay but not trans). <br /> <br />In either case, there's a huge Aspie overlap so I do think you have something with that theory, I've though about it before. <br /> <br />Some people with AS or with AS traits don't have this kind of empathy though, it's extremely complex. They may have a different kind of empathy. I feel like I have a really deep sense of empathy that isn't needed for every day life but NOT the practical kind of empathy that you can apply to everyday situations, maybe just because I'm usually in my own world.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />That's interesting. i identify with women for example I am always aware of fashion as it develops and i think this is much the same way fashon works: people being tuned into what's being worn at any time. I do not relate to men's fashion, it passes me by. I wonder if these aspects of seeing oneself in others can be gender specific. ie it's possible to be a little AS vis a vis one gender but completely empathetic with another gender</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>mntn13</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:00 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Personally I'm convinced# that autism, intersex, transgender, etc are the result of unusual development: Some uncommon, unusual event occurred so that our bodies developed the way they did. <br /> ^ elucidate?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>TheHouseholdCat</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:18 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I wouldn't say it is a mental disorder. It's a natural... <br /> <br />I can understand why someone would identify as transgender. Although there is a difference between being transgendered and transsexual. You know... that you want to adapt a certain role does not necessarily mean that you want to be the other sex. <br /> <br />I can totally understand why a man would like to identify as a woman and vice versa. Because society forces us into this binary and some people just cannot do that. Some people feel more comfortable in the other gender/sex. <br /> <br />I think "disorder" is a really difficult and dangerous term. Because it means "not normal" and I don't think something like "normal" exists. There's just tendencies, but they are no absolute rules.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Aaam</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:09 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Personally I'm convinced# that autism, intersex, transgender, etc are the result of unusual <span style="font-style: italic">development</span>: Some uncommon, unusual event occurred so that our bodies developed the way they did. <br /> <br />Intersex doesn't need explained, it obvious. It's confusing, it can cause transgender feelings, it's painful when it makes you infertile. etc. <br /> <br />Autism changes the way we process information, express ourselves, etc. ... it's being different. It's being weird. It's not understanding the "easy" things while you do understanding the "difficult". It's being alone, not because you wanted to be alone but because you just can't deal with people right now. <br /> <br />Trans* is definitely not about sex or sexual attraction. It is about identity: physical, personal, relational, social, cultural. It's the conflict between what your mind/soul expects your body to be and how your body is. It's growing up learning that you are never allowed to be yourself. It's always being told that your natural conscience, your preferences, urges, desires, and needs are wrong and bad. It's always feeling guilty because of your natural feelings. It's because you know you can never live up to the expectations of others. It's always feeling guilty for having learned to live a lie, having learned to pretend too well. It's the loneliness that comes with having to hide your true self. It's being forced to ignore or violate your own conscience every day of your life. It's the slight discomfort that you feel every time you assigned gender is referenced. It's when you are filling out a form that asks for family relations you use the term "parent" and "child", not the suggested: "mother", "father", "son", "daughter". It are the many little pinpricks you get all the day, every day, your whole life long. <br /> <br />When the stress and pain caused by all the above become too great that if disrupts you life then it becomes a <span style="font-style: italic">development disorder</span>, at which point you need to ask for professional help.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>visagrunt</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:34 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think it is very important to understand how "clinical significance" comes into many diagnoses--particular diagnoses related to mental health conditions. <br /> <br />The fact of gender dysphoria is not enough, in and of itself, to disagnose a disorder. A patient must also present clinically significant symptoms. It might be entirely possible that a person's physiological sex and gender identity might be different without giving rise to disruptions to daily living. <br /> <br />But if gender dysphoria does present disruptions to daily living, it is properly described as a disorder--because this is the basis on which physicians are then empowered to act to help a patient. From a medical perspective, "disorder" is not perjorative, rather it is descriptive--it doesn't mean that something is "wrong," but rather it means that there is a condition that can be treated.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>heavenlyabyss</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:57 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I'm not transgender so I'm not sure if I should be posting here, but isn't defining transgender as a disability harmful to the transgender person? What if a person embraces their own transgender-ness? Would you consider that a bad thing? <br /> <br />Personally, I don't give a damn, and I don't mean that in a bad way. People can do their own thing as long as they are not harming me or anyone else. <br /> <br />I just don't get it. Some things are defined as disorders that shouldn't be, and psychology is notorious for this.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Magdalena</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:19 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">theaspiemusician, does it bother you that transgender is classified as a disorder?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>EXPECIALLY</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:13 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: transgender</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>sukilollipop wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Isn't the ability to empathise at the heart of AS? <br /> <br />I wonder if transgenderedness is related to the way we perceive ourselves in others: you look at someone do you see an example of yourself in someone of the same physical gender? If not perhaps you feel more familiar with someone of the opposite physical gender. I'm definitely neurotypical, I have no problems communicating with anyone and get just about any social situation often before everyone else but have always felt that communicating with men (my physical gender) has been rather cumbersome.. I've wondered if all men are AS at times <br />Anyway here I am thinking out loud. I'm sure there's a link of some kind and thought I'd try this site to see if anyone had interesting ideas on the matter</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />IKWYM. <br /> <br />The empathy thing with AS is complicated, I personally, feel like I see pieces of myself in SO many people and pieces of them in me, so in that aspect I have an overactive sense of empathy. <br /> <br />I think some trans people do feel that way and others don't, they just feel like they sex they weren't assigned to and can't relate with their own gender. I relate to both men and women on a deeper level, but I guess I would have to say that I still relate to men more often on a practical level, and that it still feels like pretending with women (I'm gay but not trans). <br /> <br />In either case, there's a huge Aspie overlap so I do think you have something with that theory, I've though about it before. <br /> <br />Some people with AS or with AS traits don't have this kind of empathy though, it's extremely complex. They may have a different kind of empathy. I feel like I have a really deep sense of empathy that isn't needed for every day life but NOT the practical kind of empathy that you can apply to everyday situations, maybe just because I'm usually in my own world.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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