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[quote="lumlock"][quote="blueroses"][quote="CosTransform"]What is ICM ?[/quote] Intensive Case Manager, I'm guessing? Lumlock, had you posted about this a few months ago on the GRASP Philadelphia Listserv? If you are the same person and live in the southeastern PA region, I'd suggest you contact the Disability Rights Network's Philadelphia office and ask to speak with an Intake Worker. They'll take down information about what happened and possibly connect you with one of their attorneys, if they think they can help you. Here is their contact information: The Philadelphia Building 1315 Walnut St., Suite 500 Philadelphia, PA 19107–4798 (215) 238-8070 (Voice) (215) 772-3126 (Fax) drnpa-phila@drnpa.org[/quote] "ICM" yes you are correct, I did contact DRN, but they said they couldn't help me gave my brother an Special ED lawyer though. I have tried ACLU, and I am trying them again, but no help there, a few others, BAR was horrible, they want you to pay 30 bucks to even talk to them, tried other lawyers as well, found one that I just met with today, he might take it, I hope he does. Thank you, spread this all over GRASP if you can or want, my mom has been fighting for my siblings since 2007 and it's given her a lot of stress and illness, I'm the only one that can help, other part of the family doesn't really care, thank you for noticing me.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Feralucce</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:24 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Very possibly, but I also believe the clarification on my commentary was necessary... I did not communicate my intent well at all, and I have always felt that the burden of being understood is on the communicator...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>MrXxx</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:49 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">@ Feralucce: <br /> <br />Having just stepped in to read this thread (not in it's detailed entirety, but enough I think), it appeared to me that Pastfixation's comment wasn't directed at you. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Patfixations wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't think that the officers acted lawfully. Certainly haven't heard any [police] swear and lash out on someone since the officers are having a bad day. <br />Either you unknowingly made a comment or remembered the events differently. Not that I'm saying that your making it up but it's possible to make it worse on the next day.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I've added a small edit to it to show the way I read it. Just offering a different perspective. I really don't think he was addressing you at all.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Feralucce</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:52 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">aghogday: Exactly... Pastfixations made a statement that might have been at me... and I realized that it DID apply to what I said, so I clarified my statements... especially, since they stated that there was cursing... I did use the word B*&^H... <br /> <br />In a situation where they have been called to your home... For instance, Kevin Smith's "Too fat for 40" cites an event a bit like I have experienced... watching a movie with screaming... police are called... that is probable cause right there, they can force entry... <br /> <br />The statement that it was unlawful entry automatically tells me that we are not listening to an objective statement. <br /> <br />I REALLY want to know the full situation, see police reports and the like.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>aghogday</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:48 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">@ Ferraluce, just to see if I am reading this correctly, my interpretation is that you quoted greengeek's statement about cops being thugs, responded to the Op, but your statement words to the effect of if you don't like the jobs the cops are doing, do it yourself, wasn't personally addressed to anyone in particular, just the blanket opinion expressed that all cops are basically bad. <br /> <br />My father worked in lawenforcement for 43 years; I can definitely attest to the fact that at least in my area very few complaints have been voiced against a very professional sheriff's and police department over the last several decades. Any questionable issues were usually involved with the elected sheriffs. <br /> <br />That said, I'm about 99.99% sure that past fixations wasn't responding to your comment; it appears that he was responding to the OP's comment, because you were not involved in the event to potentially remember it the next day. <br /> <br />Thanks for the clarification though, because when I first read it, I thought you had mistaken green geek for the OP and was directing the comment directly toward Green Geek. After your clarified it I could see that I had read it wrong. <br /> <br />The best policy is not to start out argumentive with cops in case one does come across the occasional "bad cop". Not a good person to question authority with, whether one feels they have a right to question it or not. <br /> <br />If one can't help but to do it because they feel their rights are potentially infringed upon, there is the potential for heavy consequences, which if the Op did indeed remember all the events correctly, escalated after the initial assertion of the right he felt he had to challenge the authority of the cops to enter the residence. <br /> <br />I'm not suggesting that these cops were correct in their reponse to the questioning of the authority, but a different approach could have resulted in a much better consequence, for everyone involved, particularly the Op, regardless of who was right or wrong. Strong recommendation, if another incident like this is encountered, anytime in the future.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Feralucce</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:58 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>PastFixations wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't think that the officers acted lawfully. Certainly haven't heard any of them swear and lash out on someone since the officers are having a bad day. <br />Either you unknowingly made a comment or remembered the events differently. Not that I'm saying that your making it up but it's possible to make it worse on the next day.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The statement I made was not cursing at someone. If it was interpreted that way, then I am sorry... I did use a strong word... <br /> <br />I didn't lash out. My words were calmly and intentionally worded... I did make a strong statement about people railing at the police... who have a difficult job, and have to deal with a lot more than the average person is aware of. It was not directed at the OP, but at those people who have made irrational and unfounded accusation about the police that put their lives on the line every day they go in to work. There are the same percentage of police that are bad people as there are aspies that are bad people. <br /> <br />If the manner in which I addressed it was offensive, I offer a sincere apology. <br /> <br />HOWEVER, I do not apologize for the intent. Vilifying the police has no basis in fact. <br /> <br />Now, think on this. <br />Ever notice that people in the cars during an accident are never questioned as witnesses? Or that people that were in a house when a drug bust happens aren't considered to be witnesses? <br /> <br />That is because people who are directly involved are not able to be objective about the situation. <br /> <br />In my position while employed... I caught employees red handed in fraud and theft. In those situations, the people protested their innocence. The number of people who have been caught lying to the courts or to the media is ridiculous... <br /> <br />All we have is the OPs statement. "I opened the door and asked, what's the warrant, whats the charge whats the reason and they kept on trying to talk over me." From an NT standpoint, especially one in a position of authority, this comes across as aggressive. <br /> <br />If you come across as argumentative, (and this is perceived this way to me and the NTs I live with) with the police, you can expect a hostile reaction. This is the same behavior I witnessed from the drug dealers in the apartment down the way, when the police came to their door. I hope you can see the connection between behaviors. <br /> <br />"I'm coming in" so they used unlawful forced entry" The police are not required in any state to show warrant or tell you why they are entering if they have probable cause. We have no way to know that this was actually unlawful entry. <br /> <br />"and I had to defend my self" This is an inappropriate response to police action. Even if they are acting unlawfully, reacting with violence is illegal and will always authorize an escalated response. Since we have already established that the OP, according to his own words, has come across as aggressive from the get go, the police reacted to a perceived threat that, by reacting with violence, was immediately proven to be true in accordance to their training. <br /> <br />Once you have reacted with violence, the laws against obstruction of justice come into effect... if you continue to struggle, you will be subdued. <br /> <br />All of this is to say... That we were not there... we have a first person (read: non-objective) account of what happened. <br /> <br />We do not have any of the police account, nor do we have any witness testimony. Without this information, we cannot make any kind of informed statement nor can we have any objective or accurate reaction to this. <br /> <br />Instead, the reaction to the account was to bash the police whole-sale. That is the same reaction that NTs have to us at time... <br /> <br />It may have seemed like I was lashing out, but I meant it whole heartedly... go spend 6 months in south africa if people truly believe that the police are as bad as they claim... Our lives would be MUCH worse without them.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>PastFixations</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:49 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't think that the officers acted lawfully. Certainly haven't heard any of them swear and lash out on someone since the officers are having a bad day. <br />Either you unknowingly made a comment or remembered the events differently. Not that I'm saying that your making it up but it's possible to make it worse on the next day.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Feralucce</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:46 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>greengeek wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Police are thugs and and something in the water could be making them more brutal and mindless as you live in PA. The water is toxic in some parts of PA.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />OP, I am not belittling what you went through... I truly do feel for you... Yes, there are some bullies and some that are corrupt, but I am honestly tired of people making blanket statements about police... <br /> <br />Recently there have been some issues in new orleans... A man was shot in his home. He was not armed at the time, but he did have an illegal firearm on premises. When told not to move, he bolted, and was shot. <br /> <br />This was after 17 crime-stoppers tips were filed and eh was observed in a transaction for a brick of marijuana (confirmed when they arrested the man he sold it too several blocks away. <br /> <br />This comes after 2 different incidents where officers were shot and hospitalized in the line of duty. <br /> <br />They do their best... Considering two officers have been shot in the last few weeks and criminals are shooting up the parades and bourbon street, you can't blame them for being jumpy... <br /> <br />Yes, the man was not armed at the moment of the shooting, but an illegal weapon was in the house and he was in motion, NOT obeying and not moving as he was ordered... The police can SAFELY assume he was going for that gun or running. <br /> <br />People that blame the police for that completely ignore the fact that they are putting their LIVES ON THE LINE for you and that this guy was caught dead to rights dealing drugs. <br /> <br />I am tired of hearing you slander the boys in blue... Get out there and try it before you about the job they are doing. Either that or go spend a month in south africa... There, the police only protect government buildings and most ARE truly corrupt.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Feralucce</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:33 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: PA police assaults family of autistics: In need of dire</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>lumlock wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br />You sure didn't read much at all regardless of my punctuation. First they attacked me to get in the house with no warrant, pulled me out the house and beat me, I wasn't arrested I wasn't charged because they knew they were completely wrong. I know the paragraphs aren't apart but if you want to post a response to someone make sure you read the entire post because you are completely off and you live in a complete fantasy world if you think cops are all wonderful and perfect, they are corrupt.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />1) Please do not be hostile to people here. Believe it or not, we are all trying to help in our own way. <br />2) When attempting to communicate, it is necessary to do so in a mode that everyone can understand. Speaking as someone who read the ENTIRE post... his questions were justified as I was unclear on the same points. <br />3) It appears that you are stating that all police are corrupt monsters. Are you?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>greengeek</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:36 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Police are thugs and and something in the water could be making them more brutal and mindless as you live in PA. The water is toxic in some parts of PA.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AardvarkGoodSwimmer</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:50 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Maybe a Philly or Pittsburgh group which has worked cases of police brutality, most likely a group within the black community? <br /> <br />Now, they might take the approach that because there are such needs within the black community, we have to concentrate on that. Or, they might take the approach, although this does disproportionately affect African-American families, this type of police misconduct potentially affects families of all ethnic groups, and by helping you, we are also helping the larger issue.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AardvarkGoodSwimmer</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:39 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>pianorak wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> . . . I was also not helped by ASAN, who referred me to their sister group in this country. There was no help from them either, and it soon became apparent that they were "on the other side". <br />I too home-educated my children and that job was easy compared to fending off the attacks trom the authorities! . . . </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I have seen and experienced similar things, of people supposedly in a role to help me, instead try and "process" caseload (I guess) by trying to convince me not to make the complaint! They will discuss, debate, play devil's advocate, have long winding, confusing examples and reasonings, of basicallly why they should not or cannot help. I find this distinctly unhelpful. <br /> <br />I wish they would just say, "Look, I'm not in a position in my life where I can take on the police. I can maybe give you a lead or two for someone else. But you need to understand it cannot be me." <br /> <br />But people seem to have a hard time saying this. <br /> <br />And yes, acknowledging that groups can sometimes be lousy, I still think that good groups for self-help and self-advocacy are generally the way to go. <br /> <br />lumlock, I have experienced more minor examples of police misconduct, nothing like what you and your family experienced. To my reasonable ability, you have my sympathy, support, and solidarity. (I have also read and heard enough other examples to feel comfortable believing that this kind of stuff occurs on a fairly regular basis. I think I have a pretty realistic view regarding persons in a position of authority.)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>pianorak</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:43 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">You have my heartfelt support too, lumlock, and I can't better much of the advice offered above, especially as I'm from across the pond and don't fully understand your legal system. Similar things happen here in the UK and I myself have been unable to obtain the help of any legal advocate. I was also not helped by ASAN, who referred me to their sister group in this country. There was no help from them either, and it soon became apparent that they were "on the other side". <br />I too home-educated my children and that job was easy compared to fending off the attacks trom the authorities! So you and your mother and siblings have my admiration for your courage and determination. <br />I can understand what you say about having to fight for your life in that situation, but with your eloquence (ignore any criticism of your punctuation!) you can now continue to fight this battle with words. Good luck! <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AardvarkGoodSwimmer</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:17 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">You did nothing wrong. You were a young man and citizen asking the eminent reasonable questions where's the warrant, what's this all about. <br /> <br />However, from their perspective you committed contempt of cop. I myself have always looked younger than my age. When I was 25, I may have looked sixteen. If that is also the case with you, from their perspective, you were a young punk giving them a hard time (which is obviously an immature and irresponsible way on their part to view the situation). A clear better alternative would have been something like: 'Sir, I'm here to do my job. I have asked to see some identification. If you need a minute to produce your identification, that is fine. But I have officially asked to see some identification.' That's not particularly great. That's merely average and middle-of-the-road. Well, they weren't even able to do that. <br /> <br />The police were thugs. I feel more comfortable calling them bullies. But if you want to call them thugs, fine, from what they did, I'm not going to argue too much. Thugs they acted like and thugs they were. <br /> <br />Now, the thing to do, like information in a poker hand, is to use that information to plan your next step. And be very strategic. <br /> <br />One thing, make sure copies of your photographs, and any witness statements or witness contact information are stored off site, so to speak. Maybe on a private email account and/or with a relative. <br /> <br />It sounds like the school police officer who grab your brother's arm. It was determined your brother did not need 'crisis' hospitalization and came home on the bus at the regualr time. It sounds like this police officer then felt discounted and the other officers visited the home. Wow. Talk about an official over-reaction. This is serious. Your other relatives may not have been helpful up to this point, but if they hear a brief account of this and see this arc all at once, they may decide they need to be helpful. Or, they may not. People are ingenious at coming up with all kinds of excuses not to help. Basically, you give it your best shot, one time, and they're either with you or not. (Of course, your relatives may be with you on other things at other times. Some of this is almost like a religion. Some people are almost not able to believe in police misconduct.) <br /> <br />By filing a complaint with the help of an advocate, you can reduce the chances that they will treat the next person this way. <br /> <br />And let me give an example of history. Okay, Sir Walter Raleigh (yeah, that clown) treated the Irish appalling, running scorched earth and believing the Irish to be genetically inferior to the English, but when he got a "charter" for a colony in the Americas, he instructed his men to try and establish peaceful relations with the Native Americans. And the question is, Why? And I think the answer was (although the book doesn't say it) is that he was criticized for how he treated the Irish, and if he also treated the Indians the same way, that would mean it was about him. However, if he treated the Indians well, that means he could continue to maintain the fiction that it was characteristics about the Irish that necessitated that treatment. So, if you make a formal complaint, maybe even if you move, the officers will say it's characteristics about you which necessitated this treatment, but they won't treat the next person this way because that means it would be about them. So, you thereby would be helping the next person. <br /> <br />An advocate gives you a layer of protection and also changes the dynamic in a way favorable to you. For example, "somone's calling the police on them unnecessarily," they can be very open to that argument (if for no other reason than it reduces caseload!) but only if someone else makes it, not if you yourself make it. <br /> <br />I really encourage you to hold off on TV. That's more like an Ace that's perhaps better to flash than play. Writing is one thing, it's more like flashing the Ace. TV might be the Ace better held in reserve, at least until you have an advocate. <br /> <br />The lady who got things rolling with the education lawyer. She may be able to help with this, or it just may be too big and too scary. Here's a website for ASAN (Autistic Self Advocacy Network) <a href="http://www.autisticadvocacy.org/modules/smartsection/category.php?categoryid=15" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.autisticadvocacy.org/modules/smartsection/category.php?categoryid=15</a> Don't know too much about them other than a couple of people are trying to start chapters here in Texas. <br /> <br />The filing of a formal complaint itself may get you 90% of what you want. <br /> <br />And also, and the world should not be this way, it may time for you and your mother to consider moving. If you rely on state benefits maybe somewhere else in the state of Pennsylvania. If you rely on county benefits maybe another municipality and school district within the county. <br /> <br />These particular police officers are likely to view it as you "got off" and charges were dropped. They are likely to look for something else to arrest you for. You have to be very strategic, and I can't emphasis enough, the importance of an advocate standing with you. And an advocate separate and distinct from any lawyer you might get. <br /> <br />The police grouped Aspergers-Autism Spectrum in with mental illness and they believed 1950s versions about mental illness. There is ample grounds for an advocate but it may take a while to find the right one.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>lumlock</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:50 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I could work with other people, I was thinking of doing something on change.org or something like that. If I get turned down by this lawyer, I am thinking about going straight to the media, and looking for more lawyers. A big portion or part of the help was done by an advocate she helped get things rolling and got the education lawyer and a few other things. I also have pictures of my bruises and witnesses that saw what happened around the neighborhood, a good amount of reports plus the DC, and video and audio evidence that shows the corruption of the school and how far they would go and how stupid they are and a video my sister made right after they took me that would pull heart strings. Was thinking about getting in contact with the women who had her son held in a green bag at a school in Kentucky and similar people. <br /> <br />As for the physical fight, they attacked me all 6 of them at once, what the heck am I suppose to do let them stun me and maybe kill me? My heart stopped as an infant during birth, who knows what a stun gun would have done or how long they would do it they also choked me intentionally twice and almost had me pass out. Hey, I came to the door passive, they brought it on and I had to try and defend myself to try and stay in my home but they pulled me out, plus they came in and stood in there too, major mess up on there part that's why I wasn't charged because they said #$%^ protocol and turned to thugs so I fought for my life I did nothing wrong and there was no other way to go about it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CosTransform</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:48 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Expose them in media?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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