Community Discussion Forum
Chat
Info and Media
Articles
Autism Talk TV
Books
Wiki
Contact Alex
Shop
Log in
|
Register
WP Members: > 70,000
New Today:
8
New Yesterday:
31
Wrong Planet Autism Forum Index
->
Autism Politics, Activism, and Media Representation
Post a reply
Username
Subject
Message body
Emoticons
View more Emoticons
[quote="aspie48"][quote="dalurker"][quote="webcam"] I think we should wait and see with the LFAs. For all we know they are just evolving differently and we have no right to cut within any category... Evolution takes a really really long time and we don't yet know all of the mechanics involved. They may seem to be a lesser race, but their difference in genetics precipitates a different path of change. Until we can accurately predict that path, changing it could result in less diversity among our kind. Of course their are other solutions I just came up with (exposing cultivated germlines to germline viruses and other experiments that mirror evolution)... what doesn't kill you may make you stronger), but they aren't possible until we can more accurately predict genetics and understand genetic histories... but it really doesn't matter until we control our own destiny... The important part is that we someday own the research and know it well enough to predict a person based on genetic expression.[/quote] spoken like hitler. you express your opinions too well militant pro-cure. The technological capacity is much higher today. We're capable of knowing what to do to help, when the genes are identified, and known for what they do and how they're regulated. Gene therapy is going through advances too. They aren't evolving differently. They're being negatively selected against. They're bearing the losses of the random processes that produce genetic variation. Genetic diversity can be managed. Someday, the knowledge to predict and understand the consequences/value of certain variations may exist. Experiments that simulate evolution seem like a great idea. We don't need to leave things up to chaos and volatility any longer. There should be plans made to prevent genetic factors from damaging individuals' functioning.[/quote][/quote]
Options
HTML is
OFF
BBCode
is
ON
Smilies are
ON
Disable BBCode in this post
Disable Smilies in this post
All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Topic review
Author
Message
Mithos
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:34 pm
Post subject:
I was going to say something, but I forgot what it was.
webcam
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:11 am
Post subject:
dalurker wrote:
webcam wrote:
AFAIK, though I might have been misinformed, Autism Speaks was developing a genetic test to help people identify children with Autism with the purpose of preventing them from being born.
Genetic tests wouldn't necessarily lead to preventing them from being born. Gene therapy likely would be involved rather.
Quote:
I also, as I've stated earlier in threads you read that I want establish culture before using gene therapy, society is still under development and ever improving. What today doesn't fly, might be just fine with a different mentality among us.
I don't get what culture should be established.
Quote:
I would probably want to see my LFA become a multi-talented talented aspie and possibly bi-functionality as a secondary choice. Of course I'm also expecting immortality to arrive, so there should be plenty of time in a person's life for this.
That's a great idea.
The culture of NTs is a result of the fabric they form as a whole, understanding each other because they see what others do and it is also what they do. This allows them to develop their nonverbal forms of communication. Notice that foreigners, even NTs have different forms of NV communications that are difficult to understand, yet they communicate by these means just fine and it is often difficult for them to adjust to a new society and we always know they are foreign for their mannerisms. It is the same with us, we just share a culture that is more largely driven by genetic factors. We are still very diverse, but living with a significant number of people like ourselves will build a culture similar to what others have and we will become more confident when we know each other and our culture.
dalurker
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:45 pm
Post subject:
webcam wrote:
AFAIK, though I might have been misinformed, Autism Speaks was developing a genetic test to help people identify children with Autism with the purpose of preventing them from being born.
Genetic tests wouldn't necessarily lead to preventing them from being born. Gene therapy likely would be involved rather.
Quote:
I also, as I've stated earlier in threads you read that I want establish culture before using gene therapy, society is still under development and ever improving. What today doesn't fly, might be just fine with a different mentality among us.
I don't get what culture should be established.
Quote:
I would probably want to see my LFA become a multi-talented talented aspie and possibly bi-functionality as a secondary choice. Of course I'm also expecting immortality to arrive, so there should be plenty of time in a person's life for this.
That's a great idea.
webcam
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:18 am
Post subject:
I think you used "needs (verbed)" instead of "needs to be (verbed)." Can't find your post... tired maybe it was someone else... gotta get some rest... night all
Sweetleaf
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:33 am
Post subject:
webcam wrote:
@sweetleaf
Western PA? (grammar gave you away... or it's a typo)
hmm?
webcam
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:24 am
Post subject:
@sweetleaf
Western PA? (grammar gave you away... or it's a typo)
webcam
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:20 am
Post subject:
dalurker wrote:
webcam wrote:
Still, I wouldn't want anyone fixing my kids with gene therapy. Let them (kids) decide what they want when they are able to think for themselves and think outside of the information that is handed to them. Obviously giving them only info from Autism Speaks and other genocidal organizations won't help. The really do need to be able to think for themselves and be kept from developing the standard media driven opinions or opinions simply of rebellion to the media driven opinions. Either would be just as bad.
Who would choose to remain impaired? Seriously. Tell me. Anyway, even children would choose not to be impaired. Even a child has the sense to do basic things that are beneficial for them. Just an experience of their existence in nature would be all the info. they would need. What does Autism Speaks have to do with genocide? Ironic, that you say that you want children to decide, but you say that you don't want yours to be fixed. What of the opinion of your own children?
AFAIK, though I might have been misinformed, Autism Speaks was developing a genetic test to help people identify children with Autism with the purpose of preventing them from being born. I've read some other posts and perhaps this was not their intent, I will have to get better educated on the matter. I'm sorry, I meant I don't want anyone fixing my kids without their consent. I wouldn't mind an aspie kid wanting to bi-function and have both neurotypical and savant neurodiversity, I would love to have this, but I would worry that perceptions in the media might influence my aspie kid to believe that he needs to give up being who he is. I would certainly have many F2F discussions with my kids about it and make sure they were completely open with me about their thoughts. I wouldn't hide my motives and I would explain that it's ok to want more experience and talent out of life. I also, as I've stated earlier in threads you read that I want establish culture before using gene therapy, society is still under development and ever improving. What today doesn't fly, might be just fine with a different mentality among us.
As for LFAs, I suppose the test would be whether or not they could raise children of their own. Evolution stops where there isn't another generation, so I wouldn't be enabling their evolution if I didn't allow them to procreate. I would probably want to see my LFA become a multi-talented talented aspie and possibly bi-functionality as a secondary choice. Of course I'm also expecting immortality to arrive, so there should be plenty of time in a person's life for this.
I'm tired as I write this, so expect I may change some of my positions at a later time...
Oodain
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:34 am
Post subject:
bah most pro cure anti cure buisness is self indulgant emotional BS,
research is alwayts needed, people have a right to choose and we are all too different (nt's and aspies alike) that any one absolutist answer will ever be right, no matter what that answer might be.
Tuttle
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:29 pm
Post subject:
dalurker wrote:
Who would choose to remain impaired?
Me.
Also, I've heard others on the spectrum explicitly say the same thing to me, and I'm not talking about mild "only a bit socially awkward" situations.
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Neurodiversity is not a 'nice word for autism supremacy'
dalurker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
But say a kid with autism goes to a school where he/she is treated as an outcast and gets bullied all the time.....at home they have all kinds of family problems going on and no real way to leave the situation. Well maybe some of those factors need changing and not so much the individual with autism.
But those kinds of things don't cause the actual impairments. I heard they could have some influence during very early ages when the brain is very malleable.
Really? personal experience and psychology tell me differently. For one if the things I described are severe enough they can cause PTSD especially in individuals prone to anxiety disorders. Other then that though it can certainly contribute to all sorts of impairments such as the impairments caused by depression which can certainly be related to problems like that. Bullying and constant family problems don't cause the impairments autism causes but they can certainly contribute to the co-morbid disorders and impairments caused by them.
So basically negative social and environmental factors don't cause autism, but they can certainly make things worse.
dalurker
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Neurodiversity is not a 'nice word for autism supremacy'
Sweetleaf wrote:
But say a kid with autism goes to a school where he/she is treated as an outcast and gets bullied all the time.....at home they have all kinds of family problems going on and no real way to leave the situation. Well maybe some of those factors need changing and not so much the individual with autism.
But those kinds of things don't cause the actual impairments. I heard they could have some influence during very early ages when the brain is very malleable.
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:42 pm
Post subject: Re: Neurodiversity is not a 'nice word for autism supremacy'
dalurker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Oh there already are ways such as improve the environment.........rather then manipulating an individuals brain chemistry and wiring trying to get them to function in an unhealthy, negative environment.
I wonder what aspects of the environment would be involved.
Well what things in your environment make things more difficult for you? It kinda varies.
But say a kid with autism goes to a school where he/she is treated as an outcast and gets bullied all the time.....at home they have all kinds of family problems going on and no real way to leave the situation. Well maybe some of those factors need changing and not so much the individual with autism.
It's been proven people with mental disorders/illnesses/conditions function better in more supportive, healthy, positive environments....hell people in general function better that way. I mean take public school for instance they want everyone to learn the exact same things the exact same way making the environment very unpleasant for kids who learn a different way or maybe have a specific area of interest. Well education could be made more individualized but it's easier just to try and mold the people who don't fit the mold so that they do...regardless of what negative effects that might have on the individual.
aspie48
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:41 pm
Post subject:
dalurker wrote:
aspie48 wrote:
over 20,000 people support neurodiversity. thats a lot so don't belittle us.
Where do you get that figure from? And that's not a lot as a percentage of the millions on the spectrum.
thats the number of members of the largest neurodiversity site, aspies for freedom.
dalurker
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Neurodiversity is not a 'nice word for autism supremacy'
Sweetleaf wrote:
Oh there already are ways such as improve the environment.........rather then manipulating an individuals brain chemistry and wiring trying to get them to function in an unhealthy, negative environment.
I wonder what aspects of the environment would be involved.
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:36 pm
Post subject:
dalurker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Also how do you imagine they will cure autism, by rearranging autistic peoples brains trying to get it right? because that is literally what it would consist of u'd either have to try and weed out Autism via eugenics......or screw around with brains of autistic people trying to make them work like a neurotypical brain. Who wants the cure?
I think it would involve some kind of "rearrangement". But as far as I know, it may involve remedies that increase connectivity within the brain where it could be lacking. Such as reversing the difficulties in interactions between neurons, and the difficulties in long distance communication between distant areas of the brain. It may include forms of gene therapy, which are getting very sophisticated. This would have to be intricately planned and understood before it's attempted, of course. And the goal isn't really to make a brain work like a "neurotypical" one. It's just to increase functioning needed for basic skills and forms of learning.
Kinda like the song Brain Damage 're-arrange me till I'm sane.'? But hey if someone with autism would like a cure I won't stand in their way but I am sure there are quite a few people with autism who prefer their brains are not 're-arranged'.
Forums ©
Read more Articles on Wrong Planet
Wrong Planet is a Registered Trademark.
Copyright 2004-2013,
Wrong Planet, LLC and Alex Plank
. Alex does
public speaking for Autism.
Advertise on Wrong Planet
Terms of Service - You must read this as a user of Wrong Planet
|
Privacy Policy
Subscribe:
Wrong Planet News
Wrong Planet Forums