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[quote="DC"][quote="Wurzel"]I think it is unlikely that the paleolithic were eating large amounts of meat. If you look at the Hadza in Tanzania, they average only one kill every thirty days per hunter. It is more likely that the paleolithic relied heavily on underground storage organs (USOs). It was USOs, not meat, that provided the energy for increased brain size.[/quote] You can not compare the catch of a modern day hunter with a hunter in the palaeolithic, there were rather a lot more animals around and far fewer hunters. Hunting/fishing etc would have been much easier back then. If you look at historical records of fish catches in Canadian/US fishing waters, when Europeans first settled there men with tiny boats and fishing rods caught ten times as many fish as the modern fishing fleets with giant nets and high tech sonar catch today.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>coconapple</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:55 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Oooh, I see what you mean. I will answer your whole post. But first, I will say some things. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">You seem to have read my previous reply as me attacking you, but instead, I meant to offer my opinion, and make you think; perhaps learn, after some friendly discussion. That's why I asked you these questions:</span> <br /> <br />1) Is there any reason why humans should eat grains? Why should humans eat grains? <br />2) Any thoughts on my answer to "cavemen were probably not as lazy"? <br /> <br />If you don't mind I'd like your thoughts on these two points. After that, I'll be happy to reply to any questions. <br /> <br />Because I had to repeat myself I have a feeling you did not read my previous post at all <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /> <br /><a href="http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4585355.html#4585355" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4585355.html#4585355</a> <br />If you're not going to read it (and I hope you will, like I said, it's fun to think and learn), I will not be replying any longer. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">From now on, I assume that you will do your own research, if you care to reply (I won't think badly of you if you don't reply, no pressure. It's up to you). After you read my response to your complete post, I hope you will try to answer the questions I asked. Again, I only ask because I think it's fun to discuss things, and because it's fun to learn new things, I think. I don't mean disrespect.</span> <br /> <br />Here is my reply to your whole post. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Yeah but our ancestors probably didn't live as long</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I had already addressed that part on another thread (to someone else), and I was really tired of that topic. It gets tiring repeating the same information to people over and over again when they could do their own research. <br />People didn't die because of diet (unless perhaps they starved), they died because: lack of healthcare, natural disasters, fighting, accidents, death at birth, death during birth, and so on. <br /> <br />Nowadays we usually have help after an accident (breaking an arm, for example), women have help during childbirth, any problems with a baby, we can go to to the doctor. And so on, and so on. This raises our life expectancy. I learned about these things in Geography class. <br /> <br />Here are some links, though I urge you to do your own research on the topic. <br /><a href="http://paleodiet.com/life-expectancy.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://paleodiet.com/life-expectancy.htm</a> <br /><a href="http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven/papers/GurvenKaplan2007pdr.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven/papers/GurvenKaplan2007pdr.pdf</a> <br /><a href="http://www.environnement.ens.fr/perso/claessen/agriculture/mistake_jared_diamond.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.environnement.ens.fr/perso/claessen/agriculture/mistake_jared_diamond.pdf</a> <br /> <br />Even if you were to discount all this, if you look into currently living hunter gatherers, away from modern civilization, you will see there are many old people. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> were not near as lazy.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I already replied to this in the previous post. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Certain stuff I can understand about saying our body isn't made to eat, lets say for example candy (or more exact, a hershey bar).</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I agree with you, so I didn't see the point in replying "I agree". <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">But it just seems weird to me that bread or oatmeal is not included as okay.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />However, here is where I disagree with you, hence I quoted it. I did not misconstrue what you said. I was disagreeing with you. Here, I will repeat myself: <br /> <br />Bread and oatmeal ARE processed foods! Humans aren't meant to eat bread or oatmeal, that's what I was getting at. <br /> <br />Birds, rodents, some insects, and bacteria eat grains. <br />It's also sometimes used as animal fodder when they don't have access to green pasture or their natural habitat's food, but besides chickens, that is not their natural food either. <br />It was also used to prevent famine, for example, bread in europe, rice in asia. <br /> <br />But that doesn't mean it's what our bodies expect us to eat. Our digestive system is not meant for it. <br />Humans can eat vegetables and meat raw, if they wish. They can also cook it. However there is a huge deal of processing that must be done to grains (except white rice) to make it so that humans can tolerate it, unlike birds/rodents/insects/bacteria, we can't digest it in it's natural form. <br />Therefore, grain products meant for human consumption are processed foods. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">By the way, you are not the first one to raise those questions. There are plenty of Paleo forums and blogs where the questions have been asked and answered. That's why I ask that you do your research.</span></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Delphiki</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:50 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>coconapple wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I gotta say, it's nice not having paranoia anymore. <br />Once in a while I ask my fiancé, just to tease him: "Hey, remember when I was so paranoid, every couple of weeks I'd make a huge scene over nothing and said we should break up?", and he cringes and asks me not to remind him of that ;P Oh my god... I was awful... I can't imagine what it must have been like for him. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Delphiki wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Yeah but our ancestors [...] were not near as lazy. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I sit on my ass all day and I still got much, much healthier eating this way. Because I'm not active, I eat breakfast and lunch, and I'm not hungry until the next day. In fact, I eat so little because I'm never hungry, that I force myself to eat in fear that I'm not getting enough food! <br />My finance has a physical job, so he eats breakfast, lunch, and dinner. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> it just seems weird to me that bread or oatmeal is not included as okay.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Is there any reason why they SHOULD? What can you get from grains that you can't get from other (much healthier) foods?</span> <br /> <br />Bread and oatmeal are not easily digestible by humans. There are certain things one can do to make them easier to digest, like fermenting or soaking grains. However, most people don't ferment or soak their grains. Even so, with all the work we must do to grains so humans can "tolerate" it, should be enough to convince you that they're not meant for us. <br /> <br />Plus, if bread and oatmeal were okay, then why wouldn't pasta and other such things? Then we are back at square one... Standard American Diet. <br /> <br />A very old book (online), for those who have time to waste: <a href="http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html</a></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I said how our ancestors probably did not live as long. So how do we know whether or not there diet is any good to go off of? You ignored that. <br /> <br />I made a clear distinction between processed foods and oatmeal or bread.You ignored the part I said about processed food and acted like eating oatmeal was just leading to the "awful american diet." A way to make what you said sound much better. Just do not acknowledge the parts that you do not know a good answer to.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>coconapple</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:45 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Delphiki wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It just bothered me that you misconstrued what I said.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Ah, I see. Which part?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Delphiki</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:30 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>coconapple wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">why did you only quote parts of what I said?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I quote the part I'm responding to. Like the quote on this post. No ill intended.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It just bothered me that you misconstrued what I said.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>coconapple</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:32 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">why did you only quote parts of what I said?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I quote the part I'm responding to. Like the quote on this post. No ill intended.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Janissy</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:59 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>lightening020 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I would be very curious if an indigenous tribesman possibly from brazil who had never eaten any processed food, would react to it (assuming he/she was a willing participant). I know when I eat say a 7-11 microwave burrito, I don't feel so well. and I almost always have terrible shitz. Most fast food this happens with anyway. <br /> <br />I'm trying this diet now with the exception that I am going to eat some grains and beans (legumes) but not majorly.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />You might like the Weston A. Price diet principles. <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.westonaprice.org/</a> <br /> <br /> <br />The Weston A Price way of eating is the same as the Paleo diet except that it also includes grains and beans and dairy. Basically it's an attempt to turn back the clock a couple centuries rather than millenia. Price was a dentist who travelled the world about 80 years ago investigating the exact thing you are wondering about: what happens to indigenous tribespeople suddenly exposed to processed food? Since he was a dentist, he focused a lot on how the processed food damages teeth. Since it was 80 years ago, microwave burritos hadn't been invented yet but cookies and cake had so he focused a lot on refined grains and sweet baked goods. He doesn't discuss indigestion (since microwave burritos hadn't been invented yet) but he did find rapid declines into Type II diabetes. <br /> <br />The Weston A Price Foundation is a good resource for people who are attracted to Paleo principles but would like to continue eating at least some grains, legumes and dairy.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Delphiki</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:49 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">@coconapple- why did you only quote parts of what I said? Or did you only quote the parts that suited your argument better?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>coconapple</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:57 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I gotta say, it's nice not having paranoia anymore. <br />Once in a while I ask my fiancé, just to tease him: "Hey, remember when I was so paranoid, every couple of weeks I'd make a huge scene over nothing and said we should break up?", and he cringes and asks me not to remind him of that ;P Oh my god... I was awful... I can't imagine what it must have been like for him. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Delphiki wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Yeah but our ancestors [...] were not near as lazy. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I sit on my ass all day and I still got much, much healthier eating this way. Because I'm not active, I eat breakfast and lunch, and I'm not hungry until the next day. In fact, I eat so little because I'm never hungry, that I force myself to eat in fear that I'm not getting enough food! <br />My finance has a physical job, so he eats breakfast, lunch, and dinner. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> it just seems weird to me that bread or oatmeal is not included as okay.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Is there any reason why they SHOULD? What can you get from grains that you can't get from other (much healthier) foods?</span> <br /> <br />Bread and oatmeal are not easily digestible by humans. There are certain things one can do to make them easier to digest, like fermenting or soaking grains. However, most people don't ferment or soak their grains. Even so, with all the work we must do to grains so humans can "tolerate" it, should be enough to convince you that they're not meant for us. <br /> <br />Plus, if bread and oatmeal were okay, then why wouldn't pasta and other such things? Then we are back at square one... Standard American Diet. <br /> <br />A very old book (online), for those who have time to waste: <a href="http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Inyanook</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:21 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">*raises hand* <br /> <br />My entire family eats this way. Weight loss, better health and better mental function as a result — my brother, my dad and I have much less serious symptoms of AS, and my mother no longer suffers with bouts of depression.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Delphiki</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:09 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Yeah but our ancestors probably didn't live as long or were not near as lazy. Certain stuff I can understand about saying our body isn't made to eat, lets say for example candy (or more exact, a hershey bar). But it just seems weird to me that bread or oatmeal is not included as okay.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>lightening020</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:55 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">what did our ancestors most commonly die of though? I don't think it was cardiovascular disease, heart disease, diabetes, or obesity. <br /> <br />It was probably transmittable diseases that we have immunity to now, and the threat of of wild animals, natural disasters, food shortages, rival tribes. <br /> <br />I think the whole point of this diet is that scientifically our bodies haven't evolved enough past primitiveness to be able to fully digest some of the foods that have been invented over the last thousands of years. <br /> <br />I would be very curious if an indigenous tribesman possibly from brazil who had never eaten any processed food, would react to it (assuming he/she was a willing participant). I know when I eat say a 7-11 microwave burrito, I don't feel so well. and I almost always have terrible shitz. Most fast food this happens with anyway. <br /> <br />I'm trying this diet now with the exception that I am going to eat some grains and beans (legumes) but not majorly.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>coconapple</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:04 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Wow I just found this thread today! <br />I have a journal on marksdailyapple (PM me for it), would love to make some wrongplanet Paleo friends... <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> <br /> <br />Eating like this helped me with a lot of Asperger problems like: <br />✓ Brain fog <br />✓ Unable to think logically due to stress / sensory overload (for example, nearly putting my hand in a running blender, burning a hole on the laminate floor when I put a hot pot there) <br />✓ Clumsiness <br />✓ Anxiety / panic attacks <br />✓ Extreme sensitivity to noise <br />✓ Painful reaction to being touched <br />✓ Very very very bad reaction to even the slightlest pain (things that wouldn't bother other people) <br />✓ Depression <br />✓ Suicidal, this one is like night and day, I'm surprised I'm alive today... <br />(and other things not related to autism) <br /> <br />I actually only noticed I had Asperger's after I moved to USA and started eating bad food. I was so scared thinking I had MS or brain cancer! Finally I found out about Aspergers and stopped worrying. But everyone where I come from eats Paleo / WAPF so I was pretty much normal (non autistic), except being shy and ... gifted, I guess. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cash__ wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">My cholesterol is way to high for that diet.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /><a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/skinny-on-fats#hd" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/skinny-on-fats#hd</a> <br />High cholesterol isn't always a bad thing. Having high Triglicerides and LDL type B is bad, *but* having high HDL and LDL of type A is very good for you! <br />You can ask any doctor and they will admit that's true. Unfortunately, most doctors only check the total number, so if it's over 200 they tell you it's bad, but it depends on a lot of factors. <br /><a href="http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread4723.html#post63702" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread4723.html#post63702</a> <br />If you want to do some research on this, check out Chris Masterjon, Weston A. Price, Track Your Plaque websites. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I also think that simply cutting out fast/junk food and soft drinks will account for 80% of diet-related obesity and health problems.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I ate "healthy" like that for many years, but low fat, high carb, and I was still very sick and fat. I only got better after eating high fat, low carb. (generally I eat about 80 to 100 carbs per day, all from vegetables) <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Sounds like a diet you need to be already quite active for it to work. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Nope, I sit on my ass all day and I still lost 30 pounds. All fat. I actually had very weak muscles and bones before this diet, now they are much stronger. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I tried it for about a week. I've never been more hungry in my life, despite eating huge meals. It was awful.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />That's generally because your body still expects carbs, you need to get over that "carb flu". After a few weeks it goes away. That's why there's the "Whole 30" challenge, because if they said to do it only for a week, most people would give up. <br /> <br />Also, what exactly did you eat? Some people think Paleo means "skinless chicken breast and spinach cooked on cooking spray", but if you do that you will be starving. <br />And it's kinda funny you say that, because right now my problem is that I'm NEVER hungry! I have to force myself to eat. For example if I eat breakfast (2 eggs with shredded meat plus vegetables, fried in 2 tablespoons bacon grease, for example), I'm not hungry until the next day, so I force myself to eat anyway. <br />Pre- paleo I had to eat every 30 minutes or I'd feel like I was going to black out. <br /> <br /> <br />Anyway.. yes.. would love to make some wrongplanet paleo friends! <br />And for those who are curious... <a href="http://paleodietlifestyle.com/paleo-101/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://paleodietlifestyle.com/paleo-101/</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>riot_gun</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:56 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I tried it for about a week. I've never been more hungry in my life, despite eating huge meals. It was awful.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>MONKEY</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:48 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Sounds like a diet you need to be already quite active for it to work. I'm trying to tone up and I'm just eating less and moving more, seems simple enough. And I'm swapping junky snacks with fruity ones, dry fruit is always good because it's super sweet but not too fattening, though I do have the odd treat sometimes, like a biscuit or two <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" />. <br />It seems to be working so far, I've gone from 10 stone 11 pounds to 10 stone 7 pounds. I'm trying to reach a target weight in the 9 stone range, I used to be that slim last year and thought I looked awesome. So I want to go back to that golden age. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>DoniiMann</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:23 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">You have to eat something. Check out the paleo forums, because there are threads on the subject of paleo on a budget. You might be able to find a way to do paleo not too much more expensive than regular diet.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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