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[quote="SanityTheorist"]I never considered myself androgynous or masculine, but I did for a while consider myself feminine. However, thoughts of transgender activity never crossed my mind, just crossdressing. Didn't like it though. I agree with the above poster we are more likely to be androgynous... it is just how we don't focus on clothing to figure out group affiliation. That's society. I won't condemn either side. I would think though unlike with non-aspergians we are just more able to think our way into what we think would benefit us, rather than follow emotional snaps that occur.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>SanityTheorist</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:10 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Hmm</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I never considered myself androgynous or masculine, but I did for a while consider myself feminine. <br /> <br />However, thoughts of transgender activity never crossed my mind, just crossdressing. Didn't like it though. <br /> <br />I agree with the above poster we are more likely to be androgynous... it is just how we don't focus on clothing to figure out group affiliation. That's society. I won't condemn either side. <br /> <br />I would think though unlike with non-aspergians we are just more able to think our way into what we think would benefit us, rather than follow emotional snaps that occur.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>cthulhureqiuem</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:52 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">lol you sound like me... im constantly being asked if im anemic because im so pale.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>fragileclover</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:10 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Shorttail wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>fragileclover wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">male clothes are often more comfortable.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />It's funny, I find female clothes more comfortable. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> At least skirts. They're sooo handy. I used to tie my shirt around my waist in the summer to get a tiny bit of that feeling. :3 <br /> <br />I didn't know the androgyny was so profound.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Oh, I loathed skirts and dresses when I was young! I basically despised anything feminine. These days, I like dresses and skirts, but never wear them, because I typically have to wear nylons (YUCK) with them. My skin is <span style="font-style: italic">incredibly</span> pale, due to the fact that I get sun poisoning with the snap of a finger (I've had it three times...all while wearing sunscreen, and being out for an hour or less), so I wear long pants all year around. No one, including me, wants to see those pale things in a dress. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Shorttail</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:56 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>fragileclover wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">male clothes are often more comfortable.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />It's funny, I find female clothes more comfortable. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> At least skirts. They're sooo handy. I used to tie my shirt around my waist in the summer to get a tiny bit of that feeling. :3 <br /> <br />I didn't know the androgyny was so profound.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>fragileclover</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:45 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Hexagon wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I heard that. I researched it, and what a read seemed to confirm that. A british gender therapist said he noticed higher incidence of aspergers in pre-transition transsexuals, especially ftms. I wouldn't know why though. I wasn't aware that most people knew about it though.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Well, as has been noted, it is a trait of many (not all) girls and women with Asperger's to be 'tomboyish' in appearance and behavior, mostly because it's easier to associate with boys and because male clothes are often more comfortable. This, paired with the notion that many Aspies are gender netural; that is, we don't follow gender roles and may at times feel more like one gender than the other...it seems logical that gender dysphoria would be common among those with Asperger's. <br /> <br />I myself identified as FTM for approximately three years, and dealt with feelings of not being a girl for much of my life. However, the last seven years, I've felt entirely female...so, I think, for me at least, Asperger's had a lot to do with it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Hexagon</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:03 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I heard that. I researched it, and what a read seemed to confirm that. A british gender therapist said he noticed higher incidence of aspergers in pre-transition transsexuals, especially ftms. I wouldn't know why though. I wasn't aware that most people knew about it though.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>PersephoneX</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:29 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>kc8ufv wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>PersephoneX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>QuantumMichel wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Actually, thats probably true. Either sex of aspies seem more androgynous then NTs in general.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />We are not so easy to program, thus we dismiss the idea that we are trapped in one role. I don't believe that if you have a specific sex organ that you can't express the other attributes etc., for all attributes are within every person. Maybe because we allow ourselves to examine these taboo areas of mind, we might find that we like the expression of one that doesn't necessarily match the one that nature assigned us. I think of myself as androgynous in many ways, although I more express traditional femininity. It just so happens that it matches what nature gave me. I think you can be a woman with a penis or a man with a vagina...I think it's more the psyche that determines it. The rest is kind of programming.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />At least in reference to your post, I think I am the Y to your X <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I think that almost all/many people are really like us, they just gave in to programming. Programming isn't natural. We are natural. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>XFilesGeek</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:32 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Why do people think Aspies are more likely to b transgen</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Ambivalence wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>theaspiemusician wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I looked at a few posts and apparently there was a study or something.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />That there's a small correlation has often and independently been noted. Beyond that it's unclear. <br /> <br />A lot of people seem scared of the idea, because obviously it follows that if a slightly larger number of aspies than expected are trans-, then all aspies are catastrophically infected with The Gay. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolling Eyes" border="0" /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Precisely. <br /> <br />Besides, seeing as there is tentative evidence that transgenderism is a result of neurology, it's not that far of a leap that "divergent neurology" might have something to do with.............divergent neurology. <br /> <br />I have no idea why some people flip out at the mere suggestion that a transgendered people might (and a big "might" at that) have AS at a greater-then-expected rate.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>QuantumMichel</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:38 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><sarcasm>We are ....... an abomination oooouuuuuuu <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif" alt="Twisted Evil" border="0" /> </sarcasm></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Ambivalence</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:09 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Why do people think Aspies are more likely to b transgen</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>theaspiemusician wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I looked at a few posts and apparently there was a study or something.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />That there's a small correlation has often and independently been noted. Beyond that it's unclear. <br /> <br />A lot of people seem scared of the idea, because obviously it follows that if a slightly larger number of aspies than expected are trans-, then all aspies are catastrophically infected with The Gay. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolling Eyes" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>kc8ufv</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:16 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>PersephoneX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>QuantumMichel wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Actually, thats probably true. Either sex of aspies seem more androgynous then NTs in general.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />We are not so easy to program, thus we dismiss the idea that we are trapped in one role. I don't believe that if you have a specific sex organ that you can't express the other attributes etc., for all attributes are within every person. Maybe because we allow ourselves to examine these taboo areas of mind, we might find that we like the expression of one that doesn't necessarily match the one that nature assigned us. I think of myself as androgynous in many ways, although I more express traditional femininity. It just so happens that it matches what nature gave me. I think you can be a woman with a penis or a man with a vagina...I think it's more the psyche that determines it. The rest is kind of programming.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />At least in reference to your post, I think I am the Y to your X <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>PersephoneX</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:20 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>QuantumMichel wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I meant, that since we are more androgynous as a group, probably they are more people on the extremes of the gender spectrum.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />That's true.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>QuantumMichel</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:22 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I meant, that since we are more androgynous as a group, probably they are more people on the extremes of the gender spectrum.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>PersephoneX</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:09 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>QuantumMichel wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Actually, thats probably true. Either sex of aspies seem more androgynous then NTs in general.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />We are not so easy to program, thus we dismiss the idea that we are trapped in one role. I don't believe that if you have a specific sex organ that you can't express the other attributes etc., for all attributes are within every person. Maybe because we allow ourselves to examine these taboo areas of mind, we might find that we like the expression of one that doesn't necessarily match the one that nature assigned us. I think of myself as androgynous in many ways, although I more express traditional femininity. It just so happens that it matches what nature gave me. I think you can be a woman with a penis or a man with a vagina...I think it's more the psyche that determines it. The rest is kind of programming.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>QuantumMichel</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:18 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Actually, thats probably true. Either sex of aspies seem more androgynous then NTs in general.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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