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[quote="awes"]I've been realising for a longer time, that when I drank milkshakes or other milk products or ate much wheat products I felt like if I would have smoked pot. much more, I was diagnosed psychotic by my psychatrists. then, when I didn't eat anything for two days for a slim shape I suddenly felt as clear as I never felt before. my whole sensation became much better. Out of a matter of fortune I read an article about gluten and casein having special effects on autists. I started eating normal again, but just without casein and gluten products and still feel so clear... my psychosis hasn't vanished yet (it has just been some days until today) but I feel so much better already... Though I feel like in a drug withdrawal... I'm sure my psychosis will leave in the next weeks or months, it might have been some kind of drug psychosis, if I keep my diet gluten and casein-less! I just wanted to post that, so if anybody else has similar experiences it could maybe help him or her too. and be aware, the sacrifice of gluten and milk products is not the only trouble this withdrawal will bring you... it's really hard![/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>kx250rider</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:00 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">There has been a lot written lately about casein, and I was using a lot of it for several years. I cut it way down to see what would happen, and honestly I don't see any difference other than I need to eat more protein calories (non-casein type proteins) in order to maintain my weight. I am sure there are pros and cons to casein and gluten, as there most always are pros and cons to anything. <br /> <br />Charles</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>DoniiMann</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:40 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">According to something that came through my Facebook page, an average glass of milk has 135 million pus cells. I worked in a dairy a long time ago. The cups would sometimes fall off the cows while milking them, they'd fall in the muck and suck it up. Milk gets tested, and is rejected if urine and fecal matter exceeds certain limits. But a small amount is present. And Bovine Growth Hormones and Antibiotics. <br /> <br />Pus. P!ss. Poo. Pharmaceuticals. <br /> <br />Visualise THAT and you'll find it easier to give up milk.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>awes</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:56 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">An update: <br />After some further self studies I've found that plants of the family of the papilionaceae have the same effect on me, those include soya, peas, chickpeas, white beans as far as I've tried them month by month, I expect it to be most of the papilionaceae in the end, since I've also read that for most soya allergics cross reactions with most of the other plants of this family appear to happen. <br />Even if this sounds depressing for most of you I would suggest you to try it yourself. <br />Take care to eat nothing that contains "Lupines". If you used soya milk as substitution for cow milk you can still use rice milk, try many of them, some of them really come to a similar experience as real milk. If you go to asian restaurants make sure you don't eat things containing soy sauce. <br />For frying meat with a crispy coating I found a mix of corn flour (coarse grained) and corn starch to have the same effect as wheat coating, while even having a better taste than only wheat flour which appears to taste extremely boring and rather like the filling of a matress if you got rid of your wheat addiction.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Adventure4U1</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:23 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Just think about how you have it easier then I do. I like being GFCF- there's still plenty of eating options <br /> <br />But without tomatos- think about it- some of my once favorite GFCF foods- it's even harder. It's ussally white rice, brown rice noodles, or morning pancakes- I much rather have cereal, but sometimes i think my mom's too cocnered about the peservites with me... She doesn't care about it with my brothers- just me.. <br /> <br />It ends up ethier something I don't like- Puffins, or something that I know isn't great for me, but I like- Panckes.. <br />Guess I could try Buckwheat Pancakes again.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>pezar</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:05 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">You need to read Wheat Belly by Dr. William Davis. He basically says the same thing you have, that GMO wheat (ie about 97% of the world's wheat) acts more like a drug than a food, and backs it with science. His book isn't half recipes, IOW, but 200+ pages of hard science about how bad wheat is for you. I cut the gluten and casein out of my diet and not only did the voices go away (I'm paranoid schizophrenic), but my antipsychotic was actually DECREASED.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Hoffe</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:32 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>mushroo wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I've been gluten-free about 18 months and love it, the only thing I haven't been able to give up yet is beer (which is debatable as to whether it has enough gluten to affect the body; obviously it affect my brain, but that could just be the alcohol). <br /> <br />Haven't given up dairy yet but it doesn't seem to affect me the same way as gluten; cheese and yogurt are big comfort foods for me and don't cause any of the intestinal problems that are quite obvious with gluten. <br /> <br />Not that I am recommending it to others necessarily, but I used medical marijuana (not illegal where I live) to get through my period of gluten withdrawal.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Comfort foods yeah cuz cheese has massive amounts of casein in it, 50% of cheese is casein. <br /> <br />Both gluten and casein give me an opiate effect, albeit not as strong as the one from opiate painkillers, it's still very similar. I plan on giving up both now but last time I tried to cut them both out I got horrible withdrawal and insomnia, so I should probably do it more gradually. <br /> <br />Any suggestions? I would do the pot thing but then I would probably end up addicted to pot instead munching out on whatever lol</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>mushroo</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:54 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I've been gluten-free about 18 months and love it, the only thing I haven't been able to give up yet is beer (which is debatable as to whether it has enough gluten to affect the body; obviously it affect my brain, but that could just be the alcohol). <br /> <br />Haven't given up dairy yet but it doesn't seem to affect me the same way as gluten; cheese and yogurt are big comfort foods for me and don't cause any of the intestinal problems that are quite obvious with gluten. <br /> <br />Not that I am recommending it to others necessarily, but I used medical marijuana (not illegal where I live) to get through my period of gluten withdrawal.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>friendly_ass</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:40 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I'm glad some of you have discovered gluten and casein effect you so badly. You can now make the right choice, hopefully! I've discovered the same some time ago. <br /> <br />I feel a lot better not having them, and also, I've come to discover not having sugar makes me a lot more level headed too. When sugar was first discovered in the Caribbean it was described as a drug. <br /> <br />Eating it effects me almost as much as alcohol. The way I look at it then is I shouldn't eat it any more often than I drink alcohol - once a week at the most.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>GumbyLives</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:45 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Wow - what a lot of great information!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>mntn13</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:57 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Sorry to take this long to answer. Hiatus over weekend. <br /> <br />Here, in no particular order and rather of a jumble, are several links to several rather good websites/forums/blogs/articles about gluten, casein, food opioids, and related. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Thanks!, appreciate this as I've been wanting to look into this for quite some time - & no prob on the wait.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ouinon</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:59 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Reading through the comments thread on one of Davis' articles, I came across a link to this blog piece, from what looks like a well-informed paleo-practitioner's viewpoint, about Davis' book "Wheat Belly", with a careful analysis of what is missing from or inaccurate about Davis' argument. It's pretty good at exposing the holes in Davis' argument, while at the same time totally agreeing with the huge health benefits to be gained from excluding wheat, but along with *all* starchy carbohydrates, ( whether in grains or in certain vegetables ). <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> <br /> <br /><a href="http://huntgatherlove.com/content/wheat-belly" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://huntgatherlove.com/content/wheat-belly</a> <br /> <br />The paleo-blogger's main issue with the book, apart from Davis' blaming of wheat alone, ( except when he doesn't just blame wheat and says that the high-starch flours used for gluten-free breads etc are equally bad for you!!! :lol ) appears to be the argument/belief that wheat "<span style="font-weight: bold">used</span> to be ok". McEwen argues, like Gary Taubes, Sayer Ji, and many others, that wheat and other starchy cereals and plant foods needing much cooking are all problematic and always have been. <br />.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ouinon</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:55 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jojoba wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It does seem that modern wheat has drug like qualities to it. Recall this article that Dr. Davis wrote on why that is: "Wheat is an opiate". <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/04/wheat-is-an-opiate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/04/wheat-is-an-opiate/</a> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Dr_Davis wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Modern wheat is an opiate. ... Wheat is truly addictive. ... Wheat is addictive in the sense that it comes to dominate thoughts and behaviors. Wheat is addictive in the sense that, if you don’t have any for several hours, you start to get nervous, foggy, tremulous, and start desperately seeking out another “hit” of crackers, bagels, or bread, even if it’s the few stale 3-month old crackers at the bottom of the box. Wheat is addictive in the sense that there is a distinct withdrawal syndrome characterized by overwhelming fatigue, mental “fog,” inability to exercise, even depression that lasts several days, occasionally several weeks. ... <br /> <br />But the “high” of wheat is not like the high of heroine, morphine, or Oxycontin. This opiate, while it binds to the opiate receptors of the brain, doesn’t make us high. It makes us hungry. This is the effect exerted by gliadin, the protein in wheat that was inadvertently altered by geneticists in the 1970s during efforts to increase yield. Just a few shifts in amino acids and gliadin in modern high-yield, semi-dwarf wheat became a potent appetite stimulant. ... </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />That is an awesome site/blog!!! <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /> Thank you so much for posting the link. ... <br /> <br />Totally agree about gluten's hunger, or more accurately "cravings", -inducing properties but I disagree about it, ( and casein, which I notice he doesn't seem to have any problems with ... ? ) not being an opiate like morphine etc though. I find/have noticed that they both give me a serious buzz, a heady out-of-body feeling/state in which virtual realities of almost any kind seem much much more interesting than when I am not eating either. I find books and films and discussion boards/forums and video games and simply "thinking", most language-based activites in general, way more absorbing, satisfying, fascinating/rich/involving etc when eating gluten and casein ... A regular pizza followed by some chocolate or creamy yoghurt or icecream, ( especially if I haven't been eating much or any wheat or dairy or sugar ) will send me totally; I will be euphoric, excited, become completely fascinated by some train of thought, enter into any decent book/film/video game far more completely, etc etc etc. And then of course there's the desperate downer/hangover, and then after a while there was manic-depression too, which is why I first ever went on an exclusion diet, and first began cutting out gluten. <br /> <br />I agree with Sayer Ji, whose articles I linked to above ( <a href="http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/dark-side-wheat-new-perspectives-celiac-disease-wheat-intolerance-sayer-ji" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/dark-side-wheat-new-perspectives-celiac-disease-wheat-intolerance-sayer-ji</a> and <a href="http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/opening-pandoras-bread-box-critical-role-wheat-lectin-human-disease" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/opening-pandoras-bread-box-critical-role-wheat-lectin-human-disease</a> ) that gluten ( and other relatively "new" plant storage proteins in grains containing high quantities of plant-protective lectins etc selected for by humans whether in wheat or rice ) may be implicated in some of the most immense profound far-reaching changes in human behaviour, from that of the neolithic revolution right up to today! <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> <br />.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jojoba</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:39 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It does seem that modern wheat has drug like qualities to it. Recall this article that Dr. Davis wrote on why that is. <br /> <br />"Wheat is an opiate" <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/04/wheat-is-an-opiate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/04/wheat-is-an-opiate/</a> <br /> <br />excerpt from his article: <br /> <br />"Although it is a central premise of the whole Wheat Belly argument, I fear that some people haven’t fully gotten the message: <br /> <br />Modern wheat is an opiate. <br /> <br />And, of course, I don’t mean that wheat is an opiate in the sense that you like it so much that you feel you are addicted. Wheat is truly addictive. <br /> <br />Wheat is addictive in the sense that it comes to dominate thoughts and behaviors. Wheat is addictive in the sense that, if you don’t have any for several hours, you start to get nervous, foggy, tremulous, and start desperately seeking out another “hit” of crackers, bagels, or bread, even if it’s the few stale 3-month old crackers at the bottom of the box. Wheat is addictive in the sense that there is a distinct withdrawal syndrome characterized by overwhelming fatigue, mental “fog,” inability to exercise, even depression that lasts several days, occasionally several weeks. Wheat is addictive in the sense that the withdrawal process can be provoked by administering an opiate-blocking drug such as naloxone or naltrexone. <br /> <br />But the “high” of wheat is not like the high of heroine, morphine, or Oxycontin. This opiate, while it binds to the opiate receptors of the brain, doesn’t make us high. It makes us hungry. <br /> <br />This is the effect exerted by gliadin, the protein in wheat that was inadvertently altered by geneticists in the 1970s during efforts to increase yield. Just a few shifts in amino acids and gliadin in modern high-yield, semi-dwarf wheat became a potent appetite stimulant. <br /> <br />Wheat stimulates appetite. Wheat stimulates calorie consumption: 440 more calories per day, 365 days per year, for every man, woman, and child. (440 calories per person per day is the average.) ....."</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ouinon</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:20 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>mntn13 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">ouinon could you recommend a book or good website about this?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Sorry to take this long to answer. Hiatus over weekend. <br /> <br />Here, in no particular order and rather of a jumble, are several links to several rather good websites/forums/blogs/articles about gluten, casein, food opioids, and related. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> <br /> <br />"The Gluten File", an amazing site stuffed with information on gluten generally, at: <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/jccglutenfree/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/jccglutenfree/</a> and its forum at: <a href="http://www.glutenfreeandbeyond.org/forum/index.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.glutenfreeandbeyond.org/forum/index.php</a> <br /> <br />Two brilliant articles by Sayer Ji: <br /><a href="http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/dark-side-wheat-new-perspectives-celiac-disease-wheat-intolerance-sayer-ji" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/dark-side-wheat-new-perspectives-celiac-disease-wheat-intolerance-sayer-ji</a> and <br /><a href="http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/opening-pandoras-bread-box-critical-role-wheat-lectin-human-disease" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/opening-pandoras-bread-box-critical-role-wheat-lectin-human-disease</a> <br /> <br />Good blog piece about withdrawal from food opioids etc: <br /><a href="http://www.corepsychblog.com/2007/08/celiac-notes-opiate-withdrawal-from-gluten-and-casein/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.corepsychblog.com/2007/08/celiac-notes-opiate-withdrawal-from-gluten-and-casein/</a> <br /> <br />Ignore the first few paragraphs about disability and scroll down to the sections on gluten etc at: <br /><a href="http://www.childrensdisabilities.info/allergies/developmentaldisordersprotein7.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.childrensdisabilities.info/allergies/developmentaldisordersprotein7.html</a> <br /> <br />And at celiac.com, the grandaddy of sites on gluten from the celiac's point of view, but which increasingly covers the other ways in which gluten affects people: <br /><a href="http://www.celiac.com/articles/21635/1/Gluten-Celiac-Disease-and-the-Brain/Page1.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.celiac.com/articles/21635/1/Gluten-Celiac-Disease-and-the-Brain/Page1.html</a> and <br /><a href="http://www.celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/41429-gluten-opioids/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/41429-gluten-opioids/</a> <br /> <br />And a link to a post of mine on WP a while back, <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> with loads of links/refs to studies/papers/articles about intestinal permeability etc: <br /><a href="http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3129243.html#3129243" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3129243.html#3129243</a> <br /> <br />( One of many such posts/comments, some much longer, :lol and with even more refs/links, which I sadly haven't kept in my bookmarks <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /> ) <br /> <br />And a great blog, by a psychiatrist of all things, on using "diet as your medicine", who has posted several excellent pieces about gluten and mental illness, mood disorder, etc eg. at: <a href="http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.fr/2011/02/depression-and-leaky-gut.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.fr/2011/02/depression-and-leaky-gut.html</a> <br />.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JesseCat</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:01 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The website marksdailyapple.com has loads of articles on gluten and casein. <br /> <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.marksdailyapple.com/search-results/?cx=004987908667488763946%3Akd-fp2c7jek&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=gluten&siteurl=www.marksdailyapple.com%2Ffasting-exercise-workout-recovery%2F&ref=www.marksdailyapple.com%2F" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.marksdailyapple.com/search-results/?cx=004987908667488763946%3Akd-fp2c7jek&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=gluten&siteurl=www.marksdailyapple.com%2Ffasting-exercise-workout-recovery%2F&ref=www.marksdailyapple.com%2F</a> <br /> <br /> <br /> Personally I follow a largely primal diet, and it does help with my mood amongst other things. <br /> <br />May be something you want to check out.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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