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[quote="Kurgan"][quote="Janissy"][quote="MONKEY"]These celebrities end up becoming role models by default, and many of their fans listen to them. More popular media should focus on keeping fit, cooking healthy meals from scratch, things like that so there aren't all these silly extremes competing for dominance. (starving yourslef vs being a lazy f**k). With great power comes great responsibility as the say. I have no high horse to speak from I admit, I have been overweight twice in my life and I have been very unhappy, I have changed my lifestyle since and I feel good. Just being well within the normal weight range for my height and fit enough to walk a distance without having a heart attack, that's good enough for me.[/quote] Musicians have been icons of unhealthy living since the first Blues song was recorded almost 100 years ago. They are the precise opposite of athletes in this way. That musicians are deliberately unhealthy has become so entrenched in our culture over the decades that many writers have said this an expected self-sacrifice on their parts. They are supposed to destroy themselves for art. It predates hard drinking blues musicians of the 20's even and goes back to painters who were expected to be malnourished, unhealthy and sometimes literally suicidal. Adele is just continuing in a VERY long tradition of artists who are expected to destroy their bodies to enhance their art. She almost explicitly says that when she compares watching her weight to degrading her vocal abilities down to a Nicole Ritchie level. Nobody expects artists (particularly musicians) to be role models of healthy living. They are expected to be literally the opposite, even if it kills them, as it sometimes does (Amy Winehouse). The worse the health, the better the art. There are even some who worry that treating mental illness (or any illness) might destroy art. Could a mentally healthy VanGogh paint so well? Could a pshysically healthy Frida Kahlo paint so well? And could a menatlly and physcically healthy Amy Winehouse sing so well? The art-consuming public and the artists themselves suspect that the answer is no. And that's why this sometimes gets called self sacrifice. There is probably a part of Adele that worries that if she stopped smoking and lost weight, her voice would be nowehere near as good. What if that's true?[/quote] Freddy Mercury in the mid 1980's was quite muscular and fit, yet he sang extremely well. The same goes for Anthony Kiedis. I think Adele is just finding excuses not to eat healthy and exercise; a lot of out-of-shape people do that.[/quote]
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aussiebloke
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:49 pm
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ValentineWiggin wrote:
Just sayin'.
VeganBodybuilding
I'll never understand how, in 2012, people still believe there's some magical nutrient found only in animal products.
I'd like to mention the Vitamin D deficiency epidemic, being encouraged by doctors constantly warning against the dangers of sunshine.
For the same reasons people still buy ass masters 3000 to "tone and lose weight"
Never "misunderestimate " the irrational mind of an NT.
Take my Mom she buys "olive leaf extract" ridiculously priced of cause ,I tell her "to do what" You only use ev olive oil she says it's "different" and not the same .
Ok I say what nutrient is in this magical potion that can't be found in E oil?
Answer She doesn't know.
One of many reasons I could never do a relationship .
Oh well it's her money I suppose she can do what she likes
And your right I even get my
B12
from my homebrew ,
just like the movie star told me to do, if it ain't broken why fix it
Kurgan
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:52 pm
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ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Just sayin'.
VeganBodybuilding
I'll never understand how, in 2012, people still believe there's some magical nutrient found only in animal products.
I'd like to mention the Vitamin D deficiency epidemic, being encouraged by doctors constantly warning against the dangers of sunshine.
Anything you can find in a piece of meat, you can find elsewhere as well. Having said that, being a strict vegan and at the same time mainaining a healthy diet is more expensie than not being a vegan.
I'm not sure- due to my metabolism, I don't spend nearly as much on food as a "normal" person would,
and I've been vegan as long as I've been buying my own food, so I don't even know what it would be like to buy animal products.
I do know that a lot of people think they have to consume XYZ uber-expensive faux animal product,
though, just because it's what they're used to.
My ex and I used to stroll around the grocery store, just laughing at the differences.
1 PINT of vegan vanilla ice cream: $6
1 GALLON of dairy vanilla ice cream: $3
It's like that because they still earn money by it. However, you can get vegan protein powder from rice, potatoes or soy quite cheaply; it tastes like crap, but the quality is good.
ValentineWiggin
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:41 pm
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Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Just sayin'.
VeganBodybuilding
I'll never understand how, in 2012, people still believe there's some magical nutrient found only in animal products.
I'd like to mention the Vitamin D deficiency epidemic, being encouraged by doctors constantly warning against the dangers of sunshine.
Anything you can find in a piece of meat, you can find elsewhere as well. Having said that, being a strict vegan and at the same time mainaining a healthy diet is more expensie than not being a vegan.
I'm not sure- due to my metabolism, I don't spend nearly as much on food as a "normal" person would,
and I've been vegan as long as I've been buying my own food, so I don't even know what it would be like to buy animal products.
I do know that a lot of people think they have to consume XYZ uber-expensive faux animal product,
though, just because it's what they're used to.
My ex and I used to stroll around the grocery store, just laughing at the differences.
1 PINT of vegan vanilla ice cream: $6
1 GALLON of dairy vanilla ice cream: $3
Kurgan
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:20 pm
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ValentineWiggin wrote:
Just sayin'.
VeganBodybuilding
I'll never understand how, in 2012, people still believe there's some magical nutrient found only in animal products.
I'd like to mention the Vitamin D deficiency epidemic, being encouraged by doctors constantly warning against the dangers of sunshine.
Anything you can find in a piece of meat, you can find elsewhere as well. Having said that, being a strict vegan and at the same time mainaining a healthy diet is more expensie than not being a vegan.
Kurgan
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:18 pm
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kx250rider wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Men who are obese produce less testosterone.
Or is it the reverse? Testosterone levels increased, cause body fat to be less, and the other issue is that many men convert testosterone to estrogen after about age 35, and that causes body fat to increase, and causes other health problems.
Obesity is sometimes a symptom of depression, or a symptom of a hormone problem or other illness, or it can be a cause of health problems. One thing for sure, is it's not for anyone else to judge. And further, it may or may not be a condition that the person has any control of. Vegetarians who eat a tea spoon of food three times a day, can be obese, and could starve to death while still obese, if their hormones are unbalanced. Just the same; a boney skinny person with hormone imbalances of other kinds, can pack down fries and ice cream all day long, while lying on the couch, and never gain an ounce.
Charles
I'm well aware of what it can be a symptom of, as I've been obese myself. Even though my metabolism is slow, though, I've still managed to reach a low bodyfat level.
However, sometimes, being below ideal body fat levels MAY mess up your testosterone levels.
An obese person who eats three spoons of grain a day will send his body into starvation mode and cause it to burn muscle, reduce the immune defiency system and so on to presere the fat mass. This is why bodybuilders don't cut more than 1000 calories from their diet (except for the last week) when cutting down. Likewise, a man with a large frame and a slow metabolism can at the most gain 20 lbs of raw at in six months (based on an experiment conducted in American prisons).
ValentineWiggin
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:01 pm
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kx250rider wrote:
Obesity is sometimes a symptom of depression, or a symptom of a hormone problem or other illness, or it can be a cause of health problems. One thing for sure, is it's not for anyone else to judge. And further, it may or may not be a condition that the person has any control of. Vegetarians who eat a tea spoon of food three times a day, can be obese, and could starve to death while still obese, if their hormones are unbalanced. Just the same; a boney skinny person with hormone imbalances of other kinds, can pack down fries and ice cream all day long, while lying on the couch, and never gain an ounce.
Charles
Oh, my word, thank you.
So sick of the constant equivocation of weight with nutritional adequacy, when there's rampant obesity combined with malnutrition in the West, due to the availability of calorie dense/nutrient poor food.
ValentineWiggin
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:59 pm
Post subject:
Just sayin'.
VeganBodybuilding
I'll never understand how, in 2012, people still believe there's some magical nutrient found only in animal products.
I'd like to mention the Vitamin D deficiency epidemic, being encouraged by doctors constantly warning against the dangers of sunshine.
kx250rider
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:43 am
Post subject:
Kurgan wrote:
Men who are obese produce less testosterone.
Or is it the reverse? Testosterone levels increased, cause body fat to be less, and the other issue is that many men convert testosterone to estrogen after about age 35, and that causes body fat to increase, and causes other health problems.
Obesity is sometimes a symptom of depression, or a symptom of a hormone problem or other illness, or it can be a cause of health problems. One thing for sure, is it's not for anyone else to judge. And further, it may or may not be a condition that the person has any control of. Vegetarians who eat a tea spoon of food three times a day, can be obese, and could starve to death while still obese, if their hormones are unbalanced. Just the same; a boney skinny person with hormone imbalances of other kinds, can pack down fries and ice cream all day long, while lying on the couch, and never gain an ounce.
Charles
aussiebloke
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:24 pm
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[quote="MONKEY"]That image was "tongue in cheek".[/quote
Me to .
I love that quote thank you Arnold Schwarzenegger
MONKEY
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:39 am
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That image was "tongue in cheek".
aussiebloke
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:48 pm
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MONKEY wrote:
A vegan bodybuilder:
Well if you chose to believe everything the MLA and dairy inc tells you that's your choice I suppose.
"Milk is for babies when you grow up your meant to drink beer"
Please listen to the Hollywood movie star......
Kurgan
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:35 am
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61 year old vegetarian bodybuilder:
I'm not saying that one should try to become this, but it indicates what a lacto-ovo-vegetarian (not vegan) diet can accomplish.
MONKEY
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:52 am
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A vegan bodybuilder:
aussiebloke
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:51 pm
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A protein is a protein...
www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=news_wweekly
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rabbitears
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:42 pm
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Oh yeah our bodies are
soooo
not designed for that.
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