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[quote="aghogday"]Per US Code, that governs the Americans with Disabilities Act, Autism is one of the disorders listed that is considered to inherently meet the ADA disability of definition in that it inherently limits brain function, in virtually all cases of the disorders. The EEOC recently clarified that Aspergers falls under the category of the term Autism listed in US Code. Each individual must still be assessed for disability, but it is determined that most every case will meet the requirement of disability under US Code. The definition of disability under SSDI and SSI, are much more stringent. Under the Social Model of Disability it is true that society can create barriers for the people with disabilities, however many of those with permanent disabilities depend on Society for their subsistence. Society allows survival per this aspect of disability; that is no barrier, it is a lifeline, created by societies that care enough to take care of those that become disabled in life; which can happen to any human being at any point in their life. Without this humane aspect of society the barrier would be the disability, and the consequences could be a matter of life or death, just as it is in the wild for the rest of the animal kingdom. The DSMV delineates in it's rationale for the subsuming Aspergers syndrome into Autism Spectrum disorder, that some may still use Aspergers to self identify who are not impaired and limited in everyday functioning, by symptoms that are milder. However, the DSMV criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder, makes it crystal clear that it is a disabling disorder, per the criteria that symptoms work together to impair and limit one in everyday life functioning. Neither Dan Akroyd, Bill Gates or any of the other often mentioned famous people suspected to have aspergers would likely meet this definition. Nor is there actual evidence that many of these people have an actual diagnosis now, other than speculation. It has never been established whether or not Dan Akroyd was serious when he talked about it on a radio show years ago, suggesting that he was diagnosed with Schizophrenia at age 12 which was actually Aspergers and Tourettes that he talked himself through and got over it by age 14. There was no diagnosis of Aspergers in the early 60's although he may have speculated that he had it and got over it. These type of suggestions in the media, belie the statistics that 80% of individuals actually diagnosed with Aspergers live at home with their parents and depend on them for subsistence, and 90% don't maintain full time jobs. That isn't Bill gates territory. Not being able to gain independence in life, means one must either be dependent on their family or society for subsistence. That is more than a difference, as it relates to basic survival.[/quote]
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androbot2084
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:03 pm
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A nuerotypical can be considered lower functioning than a highly gifted autistic. Even higher functioning autistics are considered borderline retards by most of society including the medical establishment. An autistic may be a slower learner which is why autistics are considered retards but the depth of the learning is much less superficial.
LennytheWicked
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:00 pm
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androbot2084 wrote:
Unfortunately the medical establishment is biased against autism because they consider us a disease. The medical establishment loves to shame us by pointing out lower functioning autistics while ignoring the reality of lower functioning nuerotypicals.
Ah, but you forget. Lower-functioning neurotypicals aren't neurotypical, and higher-functioning autistics aren't autistic.
At least by their logic.
androbot2084
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:11 pm
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Unfortunately the medical establishment is biased against autism because they consider us a disease. The medical establishment loves to shame us by pointing out lower functioning autistics while ignoring the reality of lower functioning nuerotypicals.
SpiritBlooms
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:00 pm
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androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
Someone needs to look up the definition of "spectrum" as in spectrum disorder.
androbot2084
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:24 pm
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Even today most of my bosses regard me as an idiot and they consider me borderline mentally retarded and a slow learner who is not worth the extensive time it takes to train me. However a few bosses dare to recognize my savant skills but that is used against me because that means that I dare to think that I am better than other people.
vermontsavant
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:48 am
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
nothing but being an idiot savant is so much more fun
I am familiar with the term savant, not sure what an idiot savant is...but not sure it's something I'd want to be.
Idiot savant was the original term for autism in the old days.the term was coined by john langdon down in the fifties.it meant people who had amazing abilities juxtaposed against major deficits.today autism is viewed as people with talents in many thing but difficulties in social interaction but in those days the socials deficits were viewed as part of mental retardation and thats why they called us idiot savants
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:21 pm
Post subject:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
nothing but being an idiot savant is so much more fun
I am familiar with the term savant, not sure what an idiot savant is...but not sure it's something I'd want to be.
vermontsavant
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:54 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
nothing but being an idiot savant is so much more fun
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:50 pm
Post subject:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
vermontsavant
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:36 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:28 pm
Post subject:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
NTAndrew
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:27 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:31 pm
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thewhitrbbit wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
This is the great challenge of accommodations. How do you level the playing field and avoid giving an upper hand to one group?
I don't know I'd prefer to just avoid the 'playing' field anyways.
thewhitrbbit
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:27 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
This is the great challenge of accommodations. How do you level the playing field and avoid giving an upper hand to one group?
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:13 pm
Post subject:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
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