Post 4614105 - (Asperger's and Being Considered "Disabled")

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[quote="Silvervarg"][quote="aghogday"]The entire demographic of individuals that are measured in the US, the 1 in 88, are 8 year old children in classes for the developmentally disabled. Thirty eight percent of whom are measured as having intellectual disabilities. 80% of individuals with autism spectrum disorders are evidenced as needing support from families or society to survive and 90% are evidenced not to be able to maintain steady employment. The issue of any potential advantage for any one person in logical thinking does not play into these statistics of disability in functioning in life, for the majority of individuals diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders, measured as such.

You may be the most logically thinking person to walk the earth, however that does not diminish the disabilities of millions of individuals in the world diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders.[/quote]
Irrelevant for the mere reason that if you fill all the lower ends of the criterias (which are not even consistent, it all comes down to the doctor) you'll be labeled as having a disability, no matter what acctual problems you have.

[quote]I've provided third party evidence that decisions are based and influenced on emotion in human beings, including those individuals that are understood to have the shallowest of external emotion, psychopaths; you have provided no third party evidence to the contrary. [/quote]
Feel free to quote me where I stated such opinion, I sure can't find it.

[quote]All forms of professionally diagnosed autism spectrum disorders are considered inherently disabling due to limits in brain function, per medical and legal definition. The impairments resulting from limits of brain functioning are impairments in social interaction, social communication, and repetitive stereotypical behaviors and interests. If one does not meet the required criteria for these disabling impairments, that lead to actual limits in functioning in life one does not meet the requirement for a professional diagnosis. The only place that the criteria for autism exists, is in diagnositic manuals created by the psychiatric profession, that created the term autism and Aspergers to describe behavior in human beings that results from limits in brain functioning. Without an understanding of the diagnostic criteria for autism spectrum disorders, there is no way to determine if someone has the condition.[/quote] 
Percived disabilities are the product of the beholder from their view of the surroundings. Without understanding this no one can break free from the notion.

[quote]ASD's do not exist without the criteria. [/quote]
This is incorrect, existens is not based on the surroundings ability to describe it. Spectrumites where around before the word came into existance, they where just not recognized as a related group. (Or what ever you want to call it.)

[quote]It appears that you may not have seen the criteria that specifies what is disabling about the disorders, so your analysis that logical thinking has anything to do with the disabling aspects of the disorders does not appear to be based on the facts as they exist associated with criteria that describes the impairments. [/quote]
You have the wrong impression.

[quote]The ability to think logically is not addressed in any of the diagnostic criteria that specifies impairments that are inherently disabling in ASD's.[/quote]
*Points to answer below the first quote*

[quote]An analysis of the "NT world" as you define it, is at best a guess, because there is no way to know for sure who isn't diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders in the general population. There is no requirement for anyone to disclose it. [/quote]
I can't really decide if I should mock this or view it as a genuine (although horribly stu... strange) argument and respond.
You just said that everyone I've ever met could have been on the spectrum and there for my experience counts for nothing...

[quote]While the term "NT" can be used to describe non-autistic in a rhetorical conversation to describe those that are not labeled with a diagnosis, there is no scientific evidence of typical neurology in the general population. [/quote]
What? Do you really mean no one has ever taken the time to scan atleast 50% (or more untill a norm pattern could be found) of the worlds population? Man, scientists are getting sloppy aren't they...

[quote]Many people now use the term "NT" to describe those who are not neurodiverse, within the moving target of what defines neurodiverse, also an invented word that has no clearly defined meaning. [/quote]
I must again thank you for this random information.

[quote]That was my point on the evidenced 30 percent of the population that has traits of autism, however you as everyone else has a right to define the terms "NT" or "neurodiverse" however they want to, because they are not clearly defined terms, that even exist in dictionaries.[/quote]
I still see no point.
And please stop writing every single sentence seperatly, I can baraly make heads or tails of what you're trying to say when you chop it up.

[quote="Sweetleaf"]I was not contridicting anything you said there...the basis of this thread indicated AS supposedly gives us super human abilities or some crap. You were saying we are by default more logical then neurotypicals figured you were more or less agreeing with the op about it being some special ability. And so I was disagreeing....I don't see whats so utterly pointless about that. [/quote]
You disagreed with an unquoted post from five pages ago and expected everyone to get that? Not even I am that optimistic. ^^
Being logical is nothing more than being logical, it starts and end there.

[quote]In my case being intrested in something usually does not mean I automatically am able to learn it...I do like to interact with people, like close friends and I like to make friends but no I've never been able to learn to put on some neurotypical act to come off as normal so people don't pick up on my weirdness and treat me like crap over it....and trust me I wanted to and tried as a child when I felt it was the only way. But now I can just stay away from most people, which is what I prefer....less exausting for me. [/quote]
I think we have different definitions of the word "interesting".

[quote]Ok well it seemed you were implying because people with autism aren't usually as much part of the group they are not as likely to follow mob mentality, but I think that would all depend on the individual. I mean there are plenty of people with AS who want to fit in with neurotypicals.[/quote]
That was (sort of) exactly what I said, and it's mathematical proven, it's the same principal as evolution theory. AS individuals have a higher chance/risk of not indentifying with a group (this is a part of the diagnose), thus: Less prone to fall into conformity.[/quote]

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