Post 4616727 - (Asperger's and Being Considered "Disabled")

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[quote="aghogday"][quote="Silvervarg"][quote="aghogday"]Completly unreadable post.[/quote]
Fix your quotes please, I'm not even going to begin decrypting that thing.[/quote]

What was it that you weren't able to read?

All the quotes are identified with an author except for my quotes that you didn't identify with an author from the previous posts, that you responded to.

All your quotes are labeled as they were from the previous posts, and my answers to those quotes are identified labeled with my username.

[quote="aghogday"]The entire demographic of individuals that are measured in the US, the 1 in 88, are 8 year old children in classes for the developmentally disabled. Thirty eight percent of whom are measured as having intellectual disabilities. 80% of individuals with autism spectrum disorders are evidenced as needing support from families or society to survive and 90% are evidenced not to be able to maintain steady employment. The issue of any potential advantage for any one person in logical thinking does not play into these statistics of disability in functioning in life, for the majority of individuals diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders, measured as such.

You may be the most logically thinking person to walk the earth, however that does not diminish the disabilities of millions of individuals in the world diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders.[/quote]

[quote="Silvervarg"]Irrelevant for the mere reason that if you fill all the lower ends of the criterias (which are not even consistent, it all comes down to the doctor) you'll be labeled as having a disability, no matter what acctual problems you have.[/quote]

[quote="aghogday"]If one is not identified as having an impairment in a major area of life functioning as a result of the impairments identified in each criteria one does not receive a diagnosis at all.  It is a mandatory requirement to receive a diagnosis.

In the new DSM5 revised criteria one must be impaired and limited in everyday life functioning as a result of the impairments identified in each criteria to receive a diagnosis.  One is not diagnosed if they show no signs of disability in life functioning as a result of the impairments described in the criteria.[/quote]

[quote]I've provided third party evidence that decisions are based and influenced on emotion in human beings, including those individuals that are understood to have the shallowest of external emotion, psychopaths; you have provided no third party evidence to the contrary. [/quote]

[quote="Silvervarg"]Feel free to quote me where I stated such opinion, I sure can't find it.[/quote]

[quote="aghogday"]That was my point on logic and emotions, not your opinion. You provided no evidence to refute it.[/quote]

[quote]All forms of professionally diagnosed autism spectrum disorders are considered inherently disabling due to limits in brain function, per medical and legal definition. The impairments resulting from limits of brain functioning are impairments in social interaction, social communication, and repetitive stereotypical behaviors and interests. If one does not meet the required criteria for these disabling impairments, that lead to actual limits in functioning in life one does not meet the requirement for a professional diagnosis. The only place that the criteria for autism exists, is in diagnositic manuals created by the psychiatric profession, that created the term autism and Aspergers to describe behavior in human beings that results from limits in brain functioning. Without an understanding of the diagnostic criteria for autism spectrum disorders, there is no way to determine if someone has the condition.[/quote]

[quote="Silvervarg"]Percived disabilities are the product of the beholder from their view of the surroundings. Without understanding this no one can break free from the notion.[/quote]

[quote="aghogday"]Per my quote above, no one is professionally diagnosed with an ASD, unless they meet the criteria established by psychiatrists, whom invented the labels of autism spectrum disorders to describe a group of symptoms the psychiatrists identified in the general population. If one is not disabled by the condition in life functioning one does not receive a diagnosis.

The broader autism phenotype is suggested to extend out as far as 30% of the population; if one is not disabled by their symptoms in life functioning, that is where they fit, beyond the mandatory criteria for actual diagnosis of autism spectrum disorders.[/quote]

[quote]ASD's do not exist without the criteria. [/quote]

[quote="Silvervarg"]This is incorrect, existens is not based on the surroundings ability to describe it. Spectrumites where around before the word came into existance, they where just not recognized as a related group. (Or what ever you want to call it.)[/quote]

[quote="aghogday"]The symptoms have likely always existed, similiar ones are identified in mice, but without the label provided by the psychiatric profession there is no defined disorder or condition; one would be referred to as whatever society as a whole determines for unusual behavior with pejoratives like nerd, spaz, geek.

Unfortunately the term Aspergers has become a perjorative as well in many areas of society.  Using the term "NT", is tit for tat for some in describing the rest of society, that is neither normal or consistent in either neurology or behavior.  The effect of the process of neuroplasticity is evidenced to create changes in neurology that vary, per every individual in the population.[/quote]

[quote]An analysis of the "NT world" as you define it, is at best a guess, because there is no way to know for sure who isn't diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders in the general population. There is no requirement for anyone to disclose it. [/quote]

[quote="Silvervarg"]I can't really decide if I should mock this or view it as a genuine (although horribly stu... strange) argument and respond.
You just said that everyone I've ever met could have been on the spectrum and there for my experience counts for nothing...[/quote]

[quote="aghogday"] No, I just said an analysis of whom isn't diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders "NT's", is at best a guess, because there is no way for sure to know who isn't diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder[/quote]

[quote]While the term "NT" can be used to describe non-autistic in a rhetorical conversation to describe those that are not labeled with a diagnosis, there is no scientific evidence of typical neurology in the general population. [/quote]

[quote="Silvervarg"]What? Do you really mean no one has ever taken the time to scan atleast 50% (or more untill a norm pattern could be found) of the worlds population? Man, scientists are getting sloppy aren't they...[/quote]

[quote="aghogday"]No they haven't, atypical neurology in autism is not even posible to consistently identify with a brain scan".

And, it is not possible to identify the specific changes in neurology that occur on a day to day basis per the proces of neuroplasticity, however the long term impacts of the process of neuroplasticity and the changes that occur in brain structure have been identified through MRI's.

All humans are succeptible to these neurological changes through the process of neuroplasticity depending on genetic and environmental factors.  In fact, some of the measured changes in behavior associated with these changes in neurology through the process of neuroplasticity have been associated with behaviors in human beings simliar to clinical features associated with ASD's.[/quote]

[quote]Many people now use the term "NT" to describe those who are not neurodiverse, within the moving target of what defines neurodiverse, also an invented word that has no clearly defined meaning. [/quote]

[quote="Silvervarg"]I must again thank you for this random information.[/quote]

[quote="aghogday"]Your welcome, the point is that your definition of NT, is no longer the norm that it was in the Online Community several years ago.[/quote]

[quote]That was my point on the evidenced 30 percent of the population that has traits of autism, however you as everyone else has a right to define the terms "NT" or "neurodiverse" however they want to, because they are not clearly defined terms, that even exist in dictionaries.[/quote]

[quote="Silvervarg"]I still see no point.
And please stop writing every single sentence seperatly, I can baraly make heads or tails of what you're trying to say when you chop it up.[/quote]

[quote="aghogday"]It is specifically related to the previous point, of how pervasive atypical neurology moves out into the general population, if one considers atypical neurology to be the source of autistic traits.

And, autistic traits are the tip of the iceberg, introverts are actually evidenced in brain scans as having structural differences in neurology, per the pleasure centers of the brain as the relate to dopamine sensitivity.  The process of neuroplasticity makes typical neurology impossible, per any human being.

I would write much longer paragraphs, however many people no longer have the patience to read more than two or three lines at a time; that is a cultural wide phenomenon, not an autistic specific one.  It is also evidenced as a result of the process of neuroplasticity.

As a result of continous short bursts of information stimuli in culture, human neurology has changed through the process of neuroplasticity to adapt to this environmental change.  The result is evidenced lower attention span.  More than three lines at a time results in discomfort for many in the population.

And more than three, three sentence paragraphs result in discomfort for many as well.  I far exceed that limit in potentially providing discomfort to others, but that is part of my behavior as one diagnosed with an ASD.

I feel free to indulge in it here on this site, but I usually can manage a three or four line limit for a paragraph.[/quote][/quote]

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