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[quote="aghogday"][quote="Janissy"][quote="vermontsavant"]@aghogday you present very well that autistics are rational thinkers just by the way you post for instance your arguements are based on evidence and facts typicaly coming from wikipedia.when people disagree with you present a link that suports your claim and refutes the others claim.your posts are long and contain many facts that you use to present your arguement.you dont show much emotion when discussing things even when others are rude.neurotypicals on the other put more emphasis on emotion,neurotypical respect self confidence and will believe who ever sounds like they know what there talking about.who ever has the most self confidence when they speak is who neurotypicals will believe regardless of what evidence is presented.talk loud and have much confidence and neurotypicals will believe anything you say. you saying that autistics are not more rational then neurotypical is like the" pot not calling the kettle black" to use an old expression.[/quote] Ahogday does have a calm and rational posting style. However, autism is not a requirement for being able to present arguments this way. In fact, being able to present arguments this way is a requirement of all who want to succeed in academia and research. If you go to websites frequented by those people, you'll see this posting style a lot. In addition to WP, I go to websites about the paleo lifestyle, which apparently attracts many people in biochemistry and medical research and so I see this posting style a lot. There are people with autism in research and academia. Ahogday may be one of them. (Hopefully this speculation is not annoying ahogday. I'll delete if it is.) But, as with many things, most of the people involved are not autistic.[/quote] No problem; I consider that a compliment. The last time I was involved in research was close to thirty years ago, as a research associate in archaelogy. The closest I got to writing research was labeling bags of charcoal and bone fragments that indicated subsistence activity at dig sites :) There are few on this website, diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder, that actually have identified that they are involved in research regarding autism. And some that have provided their actual research. One of the reasons I see value in Autism Speaks effort, is that there is no doubt in my mind that there are some with autistic traits, given the opportunities with those funding dollars, to participate in that research. Systemization, is a general area of cognitive strength, beneficial to those involved in research science. Often, when I come across research, I feel a kindred spirit.[/quote]
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androbot2084
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:03 pm
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A nuerotypical can be considered lower functioning than a highly gifted autistic. Even higher functioning autistics are considered borderline retards by most of society including the medical establishment. An autistic may be a slower learner which is why autistics are considered retards but the depth of the learning is much less superficial.
LennytheWicked
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:00 pm
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androbot2084 wrote:
Unfortunately the medical establishment is biased against autism because they consider us a disease. The medical establishment loves to shame us by pointing out lower functioning autistics while ignoring the reality of lower functioning nuerotypicals.
Ah, but you forget. Lower-functioning neurotypicals aren't neurotypical, and higher-functioning autistics aren't autistic.
At least by their logic.
androbot2084
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:11 pm
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Unfortunately the medical establishment is biased against autism because they consider us a disease. The medical establishment loves to shame us by pointing out lower functioning autistics while ignoring the reality of lower functioning nuerotypicals.
SpiritBlooms
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:00 pm
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androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
Someone needs to look up the definition of "spectrum" as in spectrum disorder.
androbot2084
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:24 pm
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Even today most of my bosses regard me as an idiot and they consider me borderline mentally retarded and a slow learner who is not worth the extensive time it takes to train me. However a few bosses dare to recognize my savant skills but that is used against me because that means that I dare to think that I am better than other people.
vermontsavant
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:48 am
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
nothing but being an idiot savant is so much more fun
I am familiar with the term savant, not sure what an idiot savant is...but not sure it's something I'd want to be.
Idiot savant was the original term for autism in the old days.the term was coined by john langdon down in the fifties.it meant people who had amazing abilities juxtaposed against major deficits.today autism is viewed as people with talents in many thing but difficulties in social interaction but in those days the socials deficits were viewed as part of mental retardation and thats why they called us idiot savants
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:21 pm
Post subject:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
nothing but being an idiot savant is so much more fun
I am familiar with the term savant, not sure what an idiot savant is...but not sure it's something I'd want to be.
vermontsavant
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:54 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
nothing but being an idiot savant is so much more fun
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:50 pm
Post subject:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
vermontsavant
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:36 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:28 pm
Post subject:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
NTAndrew
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:27 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:31 pm
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thewhitrbbit wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
This is the great challenge of accommodations. How do you level the playing field and avoid giving an upper hand to one group?
I don't know I'd prefer to just avoid the 'playing' field anyways.
thewhitrbbit
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:27 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
This is the great challenge of accommodations. How do you level the playing field and avoid giving an upper hand to one group?
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:13 pm
Post subject:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
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