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[quote="aghogday"][quote="androbot2084"]A neurotypical will ask : If the Moon landings are not a hoax how come WE are still not going to the Moon.[/quote] [url]http://www.wrongplanet.net/gsearch.html?cx=partner-pub-8703422890298959%3Aq5of6baj6hj&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=moon+hoax&siteurl=www.wrongplanet.net%2Fpostp4628218.html%234628218&ref=www.wrongplanet.net%2Fforum-posting.html[/url] Per the link above there are quite a few people that identifiy themselves with Aspergers, that have argued the point that the Moon landings were a hoax, so if there are accurate self reports on this website per whom does or whom does not have Aspergers, that's not an example of a type of empirically based logical analysis specific to autistics or non-autistics. In fact, it is associated with schizotypal thinking which is correlated higher among individuals with Aspergers than the general population, per research. There are entire threads here where individuals also talk about personifying objects in their environments, also associated with schizotypal thinking. The evidence here is anecdotal, but there is actual evidence per science that has measured this phenomenon correlated stronger among individuals with Aspergers than the general population. There are a great many threads here with interests in psychic phenomenon. Interestingly, many "religious" individuals, in the general population don't believe in psychic phenomenon because of their religious beliefs, but religious ideas that are part of the cultural norm, are similiar to belief in psychic phenomenon considered part of schizotypical thinking. But, since mainstream religious ideas are part of the cultural norm they aren't identified in personality tests as schizotypal thinking Beyond the actual research that shows that schizotypal thinking is correlated with Aspergers above those in the general population, there are threads here that provide self reported personality test results, that provide anecdotal evidence that the majority of individuals with Aspergers testing and reporting test results here, measure high on tests that measure schizotypal thinking. Here is only one recent example. Not one person reported measuring lower than moderate on the test for schizotypal thinking; approximately 75% scored high to very high on the measures of schizotypal (magical) thinking. [url]http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf196978-0-45.html[/url] Most human beings engage in some form of schizotypal thinking, but categorized within religious context, because that is a cultural norm in thinking, psychiatrists do not identify that as schizotypal thinking. I've come across very few people here that won't have anything to do with schizotypal thinking, however there is a potential problem there as well, because without the ability to move into the area of schizotypal thinking to some degree, one can become close minded to phenomenon that actually exists that is not supported by empirical evidence. Again, a balance is healthy. Without a balance of emotion or a little bit of magical thinking, one's horizons can become reduced; however some of this is beyond the control of individuals per inherent and environmental factors. Per example, there is actual scientific evidence that some types of anamalous pre-cognition phenomenon exists, per what has historically commonly been understood as psychic phenomenon. There are only a couple of individuals on this site, that I have found that have refused to have any part of that evidence, because it is associated with what they consider is magical thinking and assess themselves as very rational individuals; likely they would score extremely low on personality tests that measure schizotypal thinking. Most people don't need any evidence, per most reports of people on this site, per threads that address these issues, to understand that there are things beyond current measures of science that exist. Again, a balance of emotion and logic is healthy, there are negative aspects of refusing any type of information that is not perceived as completely empirical based as there is in refusing to accept information that is strongly empirically based. Any human being that thinks they have control of their life events, is guilty of magical thinking to some degree, however it is a degree of magical thinking that provides the potential for human beings to find order and sanity in life. Without a certain degree of magical thinking life can be very hard for some human beings. In fact, a healthy brain frames life around an illusion of what is expected per experience in life. The process, that in part, is behind the phenomenon of optical illusion. There are some individuals that cannot see this optical illusion that perceive reality close to what it actually is. Many individuals studied with schizophrenia, do not have the ability to perceive optical illusions. Some individuals diagnosed with schizophrenia that have difficulties in life determining their realities, in part, are suggested, through this research, to potentialy have a problem of inherently providing an illusion of reality, through limits in brain function, that most human beings have the ability for. This difficulty in brain function, is suggested to limit the ability to provide a roadmap, for one to find their way in the world. Science now suggests that it is illusion that underlies much of what humans perceive as reality, and attempt to rationalize after the fact. In fact our conscious awareness of reality is measured per science as being slightly behind the actual experience of reality. The emotional processing centers of the brain are connected with this whole process. Interestingly, some autistic individuals have been measured as having similar difficulties seeing optical illusions. I did a poll on it sometime ago, and about a third polled could not see the optical illusion. [url]http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4269418.html&highlight=[/url][/quote]
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androbot2084
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:03 pm
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A nuerotypical can be considered lower functioning than a highly gifted autistic. Even higher functioning autistics are considered borderline retards by most of society including the medical establishment. An autistic may be a slower learner which is why autistics are considered retards but the depth of the learning is much less superficial.
LennytheWicked
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:00 pm
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androbot2084 wrote:
Unfortunately the medical establishment is biased against autism because they consider us a disease. The medical establishment loves to shame us by pointing out lower functioning autistics while ignoring the reality of lower functioning nuerotypicals.
Ah, but you forget. Lower-functioning neurotypicals aren't neurotypical, and higher-functioning autistics aren't autistic.
At least by their logic.
androbot2084
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:11 pm
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Unfortunately the medical establishment is biased against autism because they consider us a disease. The medical establishment loves to shame us by pointing out lower functioning autistics while ignoring the reality of lower functioning nuerotypicals.
SpiritBlooms
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:00 pm
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androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
Someone needs to look up the definition of "spectrum" as in spectrum disorder.
androbot2084
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:24 pm
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Even today most of my bosses regard me as an idiot and they consider me borderline mentally retarded and a slow learner who is not worth the extensive time it takes to train me. However a few bosses dare to recognize my savant skills but that is used against me because that means that I dare to think that I am better than other people.
vermontsavant
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:48 am
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
nothing but being an idiot savant is so much more fun
I am familiar with the term savant, not sure what an idiot savant is...but not sure it's something I'd want to be.
Idiot savant was the original term for autism in the old days.the term was coined by john langdon down in the fifties.it meant people who had amazing abilities juxtaposed against major deficits.today autism is viewed as people with talents in many thing but difficulties in social interaction but in those days the socials deficits were viewed as part of mental retardation and thats why they called us idiot savants
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:21 pm
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vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
nothing but being an idiot savant is so much more fun
I am familiar with the term savant, not sure what an idiot savant is...but not sure it's something I'd want to be.
vermontsavant
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:54 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
nothing but being an idiot savant is so much more fun
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:50 pm
Post subject:
vermontsavant wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
hmm well what is wrong with abstract concepts?
vermontsavant
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:36 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
the problem is that autistics are taught today to be better with understanding abstract concepts.you need to ignore abstract concepts if you want to get in touch with the idiot savant within you.like i always say "abstract concepts are for who cant memorize a dictionary".when i was a kid they sent me to juvinile detention and i memorized the entire movie scared straight and i could resight the whole movie in the exact accents of all the speakers from begining to end.
the technical term for that is delayed echolalia
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:28 pm
Post subject:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
I don't know man...I guess I didn't come with a brain calculator.
NTAndrew
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:27 pm
Post subject:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
You mean you can't move objects with your mind and calculate Pi out to 200 digits in your head? Sweetleaf, what is wrong with you?!
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:31 pm
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thewhitrbbit wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
This is the great challenge of accommodations. How do you level the playing field and avoid giving an upper hand to one group?
I don't know I'd prefer to just avoid the 'playing' field anyways.
thewhitrbbit
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:27 pm
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Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
This is the great challenge of accommodations. How do you level the playing field and avoid giving an upper hand to one group?
Sweetleaf
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:13 pm
Post subject:
androbot2084 wrote:
Arthritis is a bad analogy. Autism is only a disability because society discriminates against autistics. When society stops discriminating against autistics than autism will no longer be a disability. As far as a disability checks these will not be needed because autistics will actually have greater opportunities than nuerotypicals when we live in a discrimination free society. other forms of social safety nets can be constructed that are not based on disabilities.
BS....there are still issues with communication I would have regardless of if NTs overall where more accepting. Also how is it a discrimination free society if autistics would by default have greater opportunities than neurotypicals? Also I hate to break it to you but not all of us have some great talent going for us or super genius brains so stop categorizing us all as a bunch of superior beings.
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