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[quote="aghogday"][quote="vermontsavant"]look forget it microsoft will never change there position and here is why.by using the americans with disabilities act microsoft could easily be sued or more likely forced to settle out of court.make no mistake about it this is much than just autism much more is at stake.it is unlikely that if someone sued microsoft over gaming tags that they would win,they would almost certainly loose however civil court is like little league baseball,if you dont show up you loose.so microsoft still must send $ 600 an hour lawyers to court or they would loose by forfiet so its much cheaper to settle out of court for a few thousand dollars then to pay high powered corporate lawyers hundreds an hour to do research and then go to court and get the case dismissed(and the case would be dismised) but lawyers fees are more expensive then out of court settlements. The ADA has done much good for people with disabilities but it is also very over used and abused and fortune 500 corporation would almost certainly have lawyers that speciaslize in ADA law.i would bet my life that the policy of no disabilty identities in gaming tags is a policy drafted by such lawyers. This issue is bigger and more complex than just autism any attempt to change this is in vain.the R word is there bigest concern but you ban 1 disabity identity you must ban them all,thats just how the law works[/quote] I think that is close to the most likely rationale, but it would be helpful, I think, for people to understand Microsoft's official position on it, if they are willing to provide it. Can't hurt to ask. :)[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ShamelessGit</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:41 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Aghogday is Right</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">They probably put up the ban to stop people from having names like, "Autistic Retard" or "Abort Autistic Babies" or something like that.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CustardFlip</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:03 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">That's really weird. And disturbingly stigma-confirming. And to Gates I say: "wether you're one of us or not, we ARE one of your primary markets. Don't bite the hand that feeds you <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" />"</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Aviator</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:02 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I'm not surprised by this. Any uncensored disorder (or just any "abnormality", like the N word) gives NTs chance to use it as an insulting. I hear all kinds of insults from the school kids around me, including cancer, ADHD, autism, leprosy ...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Inventor</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 10:00 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">They are avoiding something worse than being sued, giving Disability Rights any reason to complain, and picket Redmond with five people and hand lettered signs. <br /> <br />We are now Hairless Ground Ape Neutral, they do not have Genders, Colors, or Backgrounds, Ages, Educations, everything about them is being stricken from the language. I use Hairless Ground Ape, because People, Humans, would lead to protests, but Hairless Ground Apes would never dare. <br /> <br />Also, Autism TM, is the property of a non profit. <br /> <br />Words mean what I mean when I use them.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>aghogday</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:45 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Sweetleaf wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">And why should the one word be called the 'R' word...as someone who got called it as a child all the time that is almost more triggering than just the word retarded used in the correct context. Besides I often joke to my friends that my processing speed is retarded, because it is pretty slow and according to the dictionary well it works. <br /> <br />I guess my bigger question is why should that word be seen as bad....that seems to imply its 'wrong' to be mentally retarded or something, so thus calling someone retarded is insulting? I just don't see why mental retardation would be something to insult or use as an insult anyways.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The disability movement directs that society should use people first language such as a person with a disability rather than the disabled, when people are identified as having disabilities in society. It is out of respect for an individual to be identified as a person first, rather than being identified by the disability. <br /> <br />People or children with intellectual disabilities appears to be the politically correct usage rather than the older term mentally retarded which is often shortened to MR. <br /> <br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/high-school-yearbooks-labeled-special-needs-students-mentally-131931649.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="postlink" >http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/high-school-yearbooks-labeled-special-needs-students-mentally-131931649.html</a> <br /> <br />An example of above, per a YearBook, of how offensive, the general population finds labeling children with disorders per identification in arenas other than the medical field, where the children are actually diagnosed. The comments associated with the article, address the issue as well. <br /> <br />It becomes more confusing because some proponents of neurodiversity support the disability movement, however many support disability first language, per autistic rather than person first language like person with autism. <br /> <br />It can be difficult to please everyone with politically correct terms. This is the problem that Microsoft would run into if they attempted to please one small section of the "autistic community" comprised of people whom consider themselves as higher functioning individuals that take pride in identifying themselves as autistic, as opposed to a much larger population of individuals that see the condition as disabling and prefer that people not be identified by first person disability language, like autistic, disabled or retarded, in the case that either of the three were to technically apply to an individual's personal diagnosis. <br /> <br />One reason why I was trying to get an answer from an higher authority from Microsoft, to see if this policy applies to all Medical Disorders, to determine if Microsoft was following the overall parameters of the disability movement, by restricting the usage of terms for disorders, from being used for identification purposes as gamertags, in their gaming community. <br /> <br />Human beings as well as most other primates, seem to have an inherent propensity to establish a hierachy of importance/dominance in social groups. And the more unfortunate aspect of that is that with the human ability for language, pejorative language is used to literally put people down in a perceived social hierachy in almost every way imaginable, through almost every personal and behavioral charactersitic available as use for a target, moving well beyond any actual disorder or disability. <br /> <br />However it is better that some of the stuff we see in the animal kingdom, such as domesticated cats that put other cats in a place of subjugation by taking a swipe across the face with a clawed paw. Much of that changes if the claws are removed. The cats become, even more domesticated. <br /> <br />Human are both domesticated and civilized, so it is usually non-verbal communication used to subjugate others in subtle ways, much more so than physical assault or language that is often more direct, and can provide penalties much greater than the subtle non-verbal communication used to subjugate others. <br /> <br />Microsoft can't really reasonably take a chance on getting into this with autism, because of difficulties in social communication, and a greater probability that a person with autism may be offended intentionally or unintentionally, by the usage of the term autism in a gamer tag. <br /> <br />It's hard enough for the moderator's here to sort out who is intentionally being offensive and who has no idea that they are being offensive. Microsoft doesn't have personnel trained to properly deal with this, even if it was politically correct per the disability movement to allow medical disorders to be used as first person identifiers in gamertags. <br /> <br />There is no feedback in the forums there, that I could find, in an historical search, of people complaining that they couldn't use the term autism in a gamer tag, so it appears that this may be the first serious complaint <br /> <br />As one can see there are angles that support the complaint, but from the perspective of Microsoft there seem to be the potential of a much greater proponderance of angles that do not support the change of current policy.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>vermontsavant</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:20 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Sweetleaf wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">And why should the one word be called the 'R' word...as someone who got called it as a child all the time that is almost more triggering than just the word retarded used in the correct context. Besides I often joke to my friends that my processing speed is retarded, because it is pretty slow and according to the dictionary well it works. <br /> <br />I guess my bigger question is why should that word be seen as bad....that seems to imply its 'wrong' to be mentally retarded or something, so thus calling someone retarded is insulting? I just don't see why mental retardation would be something to insult or use as an insult anyways.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> was just guessing the the R word,my post was just guess and im not saying any didabilty tag is a bad word but microsoft has to protect themselves.i dont think being retarded or autistic is anything to be ashamed of but crafty people can minipulate disability law for a good profit so microsoft must be extra cautious.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sweetleaf</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:08 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">And why should the one word be called the 'R' word...as someone who got called it as a child all the time that is almost more triggering than just the word retarded used in the correct context. Besides I often joke to my friends that my processing speed is retarded, because it is pretty slow and according to the dictionary well it works. <br /> <br />I guess my bigger question is why should that word be seen as bad....that seems to imply its 'wrong' to be mentally retarded or something, so thus calling someone retarded is insulting? I just don't see why mental retardation would be something to insult or use as an insult anyways.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sweetleaf</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:05 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well so much for 'Bill Gates' having Aspergers Syndrome and being another heartwarming story of aspie success....kinda figured though. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif" alt="Twisted Evil" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>vermontsavant</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:13 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>vermontsavant wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CryojenX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CryojenX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br />Again, I used this method.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Did you get any response? And do mind if I ask what it was?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Pretty much lawyer speak for "we don't don't to get sued". It was months ago and I don't have the email anymore.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Thanks. I'm not a member of the Xboxlive community, but joined up to try to get answers. The answer was not provided by email, I was directed to the forums for an answer. I chatted with a microsoft representative and was provided information that using the term Autism as a gamertag is considered offensive per terms of service. Of course, Microsoft does not consider the term Autism by itself offensive; Microsoft considers it offensive to use it as a gamertag. I asked the question as to if this applies to all medical disorders and was directed toward a higher authority. I am waiting a response on that question. <br /> <br />The fact that Autism is considered a medical disorder puts it in a different classification than sexual orientation. Although on a subjective basis, the personal desire to use the term for self identification is similar in ideology. <br /> <br />Not likely Microsoft is going to get involved in the ideologies of the Autism Community, where some do indeed want to self identify with the term Autism, and others do not want any part of what is considered "autism pride", looking at the disorder strictly as a disabling one. I support your right to petition them for the change you and others want to see in the policy, regardless of my objective analysis of the situation. <br /> <br />If I can find out more information, I will report it.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody">you actualy spoke to a representitive on the phone or on a live chat forum,</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It was a customer service live chat session. There is a phone number where one can call to talk to a customer representative, but I wanted to have documentation of the conversation. <br /> <br />I'm still waiting to hear from a higher authority to see, if they will answer my question as to whether or not all medical disorders are treated the same, in regard to this issue of usage considered offensive as a gamertag..</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody">You are a genius with researching things,you should have gone to law school.you would have made one hell of a lawyer</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>aghogday</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:46 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>vermontsavant wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CryojenX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CryojenX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br />Again, I used this method.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Did you get any response? And do mind if I ask what it was?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Pretty much lawyer speak for "we don't don't to get sued". It was months ago and I don't have the email anymore.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Thanks. I'm not a member of the Xboxlive community, but joined up to try to get answers. The answer was not provided by email, I was directed to the forums for an answer. I chatted with a microsoft representative and was provided information that using the term Autism as a gamertag is considered offensive per terms of service. Of course, Microsoft does not consider the term Autism by itself offensive; Microsoft considers it offensive to use it as a gamertag. I asked the question as to if this applies to all medical disorders and was directed toward a higher authority. I am waiting a response on that question. <br /> <br />The fact that Autism is considered a medical disorder puts it in a different classification than sexual orientation. Although on a subjective basis, the personal desire to use the term for self identification is similar in ideology. <br /> <br />Not likely Microsoft is going to get involved in the ideologies of the Autism Community, where some do indeed want to self identify with the term Autism, and others do not want any part of what is considered "autism pride", looking at the disorder strictly as a disabling one. I support your right to petition them for the change you and others want to see in the policy, regardless of my objective analysis of the situation. <br /> <br />If I can find out more information, I will report it.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody">you actualy spoke to a representitive on the phone or on a live chat forum,</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It was a customer service live chat session. There is a phone number where one can call to talk to a customer representative, but I wanted to have documentation of the conversation. <br /> <br />I'm still waiting to hear from a higher authority to see, if they will answer my question as to whether or not all medical disorders are treated the same, in regard to this issue of usage considered offensive as a gamertag..</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>vermontsavant</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:14 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CryojenX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CryojenX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br />Again, I used this method.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Did you get any response? And do mind if I ask what it was?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Pretty much lawyer speak for "we don't don't to get sued". It was months ago and I don't have the email anymore.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Thanks. I'm not a member of the Xboxlive community, but joined up to try to get answers. The answer was not provided by email, I was directed to the forums for an answer. I chatted with a microsoft representative and was provided information that using the term Autism as a gamertag is considered offensive per terms of service. Of course, Microsoft does not consider the term Autism by itself offensive; Microsoft considers it offensive to use it as a gamertag. I asked the question as to if this applies to all medical disorders and was directed toward a higher authority. I am waiting a response on that question. <br /> <br />The fact that Autism is considered a medical disorder puts it in a different classification than sexual orientation. Although on a subjective basis, the personal desire to use the term for self identification is similar in ideology. <br /> <br />Not likely Microsoft is going to get involved in the ideologies of the Autism Community, where some do indeed want to self identify with the term Autism, and others do not want any part of what is considered "autism pride", looking at the disorder strictly as a disabling one. I support your right to petition them for the change you and others want to see in the policy, regardless of my objective analysis of the situation. <br /> <br />If I can find out more information, I will report it.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody">you actualy spoke to a representitive on the phone or on a live chat forum,</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>aghogday</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:53 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CryojenX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CryojenX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br />Again, I used this method.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Did you get any response? And do mind if I ask what it was?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Pretty much lawyer speak for "we don't don't to get sued". It was months ago and I don't have the email anymore.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Thanks. I'm not a member of the Xboxlive community, but joined up to try to get answers. The answer was not provided by email, I was directed to the forums for an answer. I chatted with a microsoft representative and was provided information that using the term Autism as a gamertag is considered offensive per terms of service. Of course, Microsoft does not consider the term Autism by itself offensive; Microsoft considers it offensive to use it as a gamertag. I asked the question as to if this applies to all medical disorders and was directed toward a higher authority. I am waiting a response on that question. <br /> <br />The fact that Autism is considered a medical disorder puts it in a different classification than sexual orientation. Although on a subjective basis, the personal desire to use the term for self identification is similar in ideology. <br /> <br />Not likely Microsoft is going to get involved in the ideologies of the Autism Community, where some do indeed want to self identify with the term Autism, and others do not want any part of what is considered "autism pride", looking at the disorder strictly as a disabling one. I support your right to petition them for the change you and others want to see in the policy, regardless of my objective analysis of the situation. <br /> <br />If I can find out more information, I will report it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>CryojenX</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:03 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CryojenX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br />Again, I used this method.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Did you get any response? And do mind if I ask what it was?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Pretty much lawyer speak for "we don't don't to get sued". It was months ago and I don't have the email anymore.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>vermontsavant</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:28 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>vermontsavant wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">look forget it microsoft will never change there position and here is why.by using the americans with disabilities act microsoft could easily be sued or more likely forced to settle out of court.make no mistake about it this is much than just autism much more is at stake.it is unlikely that if someone sued microsoft over gaming tags that they would win,they would almost certainly loose however civil court is like little league baseball,if you dont show up you loose.so microsoft still must send $ 600 an hour lawyers to court or they would loose by forfiet so its much cheaper to settle out of court for a few thousand dollars then to pay high powered corporate lawyers hundreds an hour to do research and then go to court and get the case dismissed(and the case would be dismised) but lawyers fees are more expensive then out of court settlements. <br />The ADA has done much good for people with disabilities but it is also very over used and abused and fortune 500 corporation would almost certainly have lawyers that speciaslize in ADA law.i would bet my life that the policy of no disabilty identities in gaming tags is a policy drafted by such lawyers. <br />This issue is bigger and more complex than just autism any attempt to change this is in vain.the R word is there bigest concern but you ban 1 disabity identity you must ban them all,thats just how the law works</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I think that is close to the most likely rationale, but it would be helpful, I think, for people to understand Microsoft's official position on it, if they are willing to provide it. Can't hurt to ask. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody">yea very true</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>aghogday</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:23 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CryojenX wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Nexus wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Found a means to make such an enquiry through proper channels via e-mail: <a href="https://help.xbox.com/eform.aspx?productKey=xbox360live&ct=eformts&scrx=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="postlink" >https://help.xbox.com/eform.aspx?productKey=xbox360live&ct=eformts&scrx=1</a> <br /> <br />It includes the option for "Gamertag Questions", so naturally someone there may provide answers at least. So don't bother with the petition as they're useless most of the time, send your query directly to them and if enough people do it they may review it due to 'public interest'. Personally I don't care but figured I'd be helpful still at least.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Again, I used this method.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Did you get any response? And do mind if I ask what it was?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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