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[quote="dyingofpoetry"][quote="OliveOilMom"]y "See?" was about how people take hating Autism Speaks so personally. I'm a parent. When I had my kids, I had no clue I had any type of autism or that there was any other type of it that didn't mess your child up for life. I imagine that most people are still that way. I didn't know different until I was told about AS and dx'd with it. Oh. I get it now. But most do not. And if I had a severely autistic child, one that was very low functioning, I would give anything to cure him. If a parent wouldn't care enough to want to help that child, then they don't deserve to be a parent![/quote] But what if the child does not want to be "cured"? What if the child merely wishes more than anything that the parent would adjust to him/her? (And before I get hated on, everyone please keep in mind that these are rhetorical questions and I am not claiming to "speak for" anyone... um... hm... I may have inadvertently made another point.)[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Dirtdigger</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:11 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>abstract wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">My issue is that Autism speaks and most other Autism awareness media stresses the effects of Autism as one disease rather than a spectrum.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />That's how ignorant the media is and that is why I don't have any use for the news media especially those rags who makes a mockery of everything that is different. Yes we are different, but definitely not a desease.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Dirtdigger</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:08 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Some one explain the problems with Autism Speaks?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Kaelynn wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I see all these posts about Autsim Speaks and how people hate it. I don't know enough about the subject to have an opinion. But could some one jsut explain some of the problems with it?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I have accepted the fact that I'm Autistic. I wouldn't have it any other way.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>abstract</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:16 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">My issue is that Autism speaks and most other Autism awareness media stresses the effects of Autism as one disease rather than a spectrum.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>LennytheWicked</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:11 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>aghogday wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>LennytheWicked wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>androbot2084 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Ants are communist.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />No, they're fascist. Queen ant and what not.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Actually they are Eusocial. /pedant <br /> <br />And there is actually an hypothesis that associates Eusociality with autism. Resulting, in part, from a very long thread, on this website. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> <br /> <br /><a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3dPqM3qgNSiY3p5TmFRMjhSekdyaV8wWUw0MTZiUQ/edit?pli=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="postlink" >Autism: <span style="font-weight: bold">The Eusocial Hominid Hypothesis Link</span></a> <br /> <br />It actually mentions Ants with unusually big heads, associated with the phenomenon. It's out of the box thinking, and pretty interesting, for a 60+ page hypothesis. <br /> <br />I miss the thread, it was interesting as well. I think it went on for 6 or 7 months, if not longer.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I've never head the word eusocial before. I blame my history teachers. <br /> <br />Now I'll be busy for a little bit.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>aghogday</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:09 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>LennytheWicked wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>androbot2084 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Ants are communist.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />No, they're fascist. Queen ant and what not.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Actually they are Eusocial. /pedant <br /> <br />And there is actually an hypothesis that associates Eusociality with autism. Resulting, in part, from a very long thread, on this website. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> <br /> <br /><a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3dPqM3qgNSiY3p5TmFRMjhSekdyaV8wWUw0MTZiUQ/edit?pli=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="postlink" >Autism: <span style="font-weight: bold">The Eusocial Hominid Hypothesis Link</span></a> <br /> <br />It actually mentions Ants with unusually big heads, associated with the phenomenon. It's out of the box thinking, and pretty interesting, for a 60+ page hypothesis. <br /> <br />I miss the thread, it was interesting as well. I think it went on for 6 or 7 months, if not longer.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>soutthpaw</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:20 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Just wondering how we got from the Thread title to Fascist ants??? Talk about Hijacking a thread</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>LennytheWicked</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:38 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>androbot2084 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Ants are communist.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />No, they're fascist. Queen ant and what not.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>NTAndrew</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:34 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">What about the ones who don't like this society and agree that. 'Its no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.'[/quote] <br /> <br />I saw this on someone's signature line--"Society exists only as a mental concept; in the real world there are only individuals." <br />--Oscar Wilde</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>androbot2084</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:49 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ants are communist.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>LennytheWicked</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:59 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CuriousKitten wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>soutthpaw wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Sweetleaf wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>androbot2084 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">YOU FIGURED OUT HOW TO MAKE COMMUNISM WORK.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />No I just read up on it and like what I found, I have no idea how to make it work on a large scale. I am good at researching information but don't create it. Besides liking the idea of communism is not exactly something most people find all that cool...I even got made fun of in high school when I first got interested in it as usual I was thinking I should have just kept my opinions to myself. So I am not sure I would consider knowledge about communism and ideas how it could work is very useful.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Communism works very well in the animal world. its only when you add human greed and emotion etc that it fails.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I'm still wading through this thread, but must comment here. Communism works in the animal world ?!?!?!? Where praytell!?!?!? When the predator devours the prey? When the Alpha bullies the Omega away from the kill? When the dominant male fights and even maims less able males for the right to breed?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Schools of fish are communist. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sweetleaf</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:11 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quantum_Immortal wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Sweetleaf wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">What about the ones who don't like this society and agree that. 'Its no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.'</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />And what are you actually doing about it??? <br /> <br />You do nothing. So, shut up, and don't complain.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I haven't gotten that far yet, I don't really know what I could do about it...No need to be an ass about it though <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" border="0" /> . If I am disturbed by this society I have every right to express that even if i don't know what to do about it. And to think I actually thought you were trying to be helpful before, not just waiting for some chance to throw at me that 'I'm not doing nothing so 'shut up and don't complain.' as if I never heard that one before <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolling Eyes" border="0" /> .</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Quantum_Immortal</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:55 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Sweetleaf wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">What about the ones who don't like this society and agree that. 'Its no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.'</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />And what are you actually doing about it??? <br /> <br />You do nothing. So, shut up, and don't complain.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sweetleaf</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:12 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>CuriousKitten wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Having waded through the whole thread . . . . <br /> <br />The problem I have with Autism Speaks is their narrow focus. <br /> <br />It would be far more productive to include everyone on the spectrum. <br /> <br />Early screening, diagnosis and intervention would help everyone on the spectrum reach their full potential. <br /> <br />Increased awareness and understanding would help everyone on the spectrum as well. Regardless of our sensory challenges, most on the spectrum do suffer more from uneducated NTs than from Autism or related challenges. <br /> <br />Educational protocols that help spectrumites harness their strengths and become productive members of society would benefit everyone, be they on the spectrum or not.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What about the ones who don't like this society and agree that. 'Its no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.'</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sora</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:50 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>androbot2084 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">See Autism Speaks calls it autism spectrum disorder. That means if you think differently from everyone else you must have a disorder or a disease.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I'm not sure I follow that train of thought? Thinking different isn't the same as having autism. Not everyone who thinks differently has an ASD. (Besides that, "thinking differently" doesn't exactly have an official or even commonly agreed upon definition.) <br /> <br />Everyone who has an ASD must however - or they cannot and should not be diagnosed with an ASD according to how PDDs are defined - meet a certain number of behavioural criteria and have a certain number of abnormalities that must impair them in everyday life/that must limit everyday functioning. <br /> <br />If they don't, officially, they do not have this autism spectrum disorder/pervasive development disorder today.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>androbot2084</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:55 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">See Autism Speaks calls it autism spectrum disorder. That means if you think differently from everyone else you must have a disorder or a disease.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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