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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>TM</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:32 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Pondering wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">There is a big difference between being sore and having pain. <br /> <br />If you are experiencing serious pain, stop what you are doing, and give it some thought. Perhaps you are doing the exercises you are with improper form which can lead to extreme soreness and serious pain. You could also be doing too much for your body to handle, over training is also a common issue with people who workout on a regular basis. While being sore can be good and all, it doesn't always mean good things. Soreness can be a good sign and it can be a bad one. If you're hurting, it's very possible it's a bad sign, and you are doing something wrong. You're not supposed to get super sore very often, this is a big fat myth in most cases. You are supposed to be challenging your body and maintaining your gains though. That does not mean you will get sore, or THAT sore to the point it hurts badly. A little soreness is a good thing, more can be too, but not if it happens a lot. If you are not improving because you don't work out every day then you are doing something wrong, be it your diet, your workout plan, your form, given recovery time, sleep schedule, the list goes on. Supplements are only going to help you so much. Before you dive into supplements you should fix your diet, and the way you work out. Don't use supplements as a way to excuse you from the important factors of working out and being healthu. They are called supplements for a reason, and not good habit replacements. You really need to do your research if you haven't already. By the sound of it, you aren't doing enough. Go to bodybuilding.com at least and get obsessed with gaining knowledge there. They have A LOT of reputable knowledge on that site. You will be glad you did your research there. You ask a lot of questions here, so it shows you are quite interested in learning, so it seems you have potential... But there are better places to learn about healthy fitness than WP. <br /> <br />Also if you are getting tired so much, it's possible you are burning out your CNS. You don't want that, because it brings on a lot of other problems in life.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Read what this dude said about form, I had a 6 month stretch after I started training at first, when my elbow joints and tendons would feel like I repeatedly stabbed them with a screwdriver, turns out I was using heavy weight combined with dropping the weight to lockout after each rep.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Delphiki</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:19 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>1000Knives wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">One thing for supps, too, GNC is overpriced. If you want a particular vitamin or herb or whatever, you're best off just going online and buying it, and for "staples" like whey protein powder, <span style="font-weight: bold">Walmart has it cheap. </span>But you're best off just eating well and not worrying about the calories or adding a few percent bodyfat, later after football, you can cut the bodyfat down, but extra weight more or less helps you in football. Not good looking, but it probably won't hinder your athletic performance much, if at all. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25h8qcSbl5I," rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25h8qcSbl5I,</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VfN0WOWvno" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VfN0WOWvno</a> That dude is 325lbs, 6'2 I think. Yeah, looking like that doesn't look good, but if you wanna be strong, unfortunately you gotta add fat with the muscle. Even people like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler, pro bodybuilders, are fat most of the year, then cut before contests. But, to naturally gain a lot of muscle, you gotta eat...a lot. <a href="http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/pictures_pics_photo_body_image_performance/all_powerlifters_are_fatties" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/pictures_pics_photo_body_image_performance/all_powerlifters_are_fatties</a> This guy here, Dave Gulledge, that's him at 325lbs powerlifting, and then he got an injury and decided to cut down to 265 to see how he'd look, and yeah... <a href="http://elitekinetics.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/commit.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://elitekinetics.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/commit.jpg</a> That's Lee Priest, bodybuilder, see what I'm getting at? <br /> <br />As far as the CNS burnout, it's possible. You run a lot, right? If you want to not be sore like crazy after the weight room, just try running less/doing less cardio.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody">Sam's has the best price, you can buy a 5 pound bag of protien powder there, at walmart there isn't something near that size.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:46 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">If you do get the protein powder, make sure you benefit from it before getting a big container of it. It made me feel weird and tired.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>1000Knives</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:03 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">One thing for supps, too, GNC is overpriced. If you want a particular vitamin or herb or whatever, you're best off just going online and buying it, and for "staples" like whey protein powder, Walmart has it cheap. But you're best off just eating well and not worrying about the calories or adding a few percent bodyfat, later after football, you can cut the bodyfat down, but extra weight more or less helps you in football. Not good looking, but it probably won't hinder your athletic performance much, if at all. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25h8qcSbl5I," rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25h8qcSbl5I,</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VfN0WOWvno" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VfN0WOWvno</a> That dude is 325lbs, 6'2 I think. Yeah, looking like that doesn't look good, but if you wanna be strong, unfortunately you gotta add fat with the muscle. Even people like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler, pro bodybuilders, are fat most of the year, then cut before contests. But, to naturally gain a lot of muscle, you gotta eat...a lot. <a href="http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/pictures_pics_photo_body_image_performance/all_powerlifters_are_fatties" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/pictures_pics_photo_body_image_performance/all_powerlifters_are_fatties</a> This guy here, Dave Gulledge, that's him at 325lbs powerlifting, and then he got an injury and decided to cut down to 265 to see how he'd look, and yeah... <a href="http://elitekinetics.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/commit.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://elitekinetics.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/commit.jpg</a> That's Lee Priest, bodybuilder, see what I'm getting at? <br /> <br />As far as the CNS burnout, it's possible. You run a lot, right? If you want to not be sore like crazy after the weight room, just try running less/doing less cardio.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Pondering</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:35 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">There is a big difference between being sore and having pain. <br /> <br />If you are experiencing serious pain, stop what you are doing, and give it some thought. Perhaps you are doing the exercises you are with improper form which can lead to extreme soreness and serious pain. You could also be doing too much for your body to handle, over training is also a common issue with people who workout on a regular basis. While being sore can be good and all, it doesn't always mean good things. Soreness can be a good sign and it can be a bad one. If you're hurting, it's very possible it's a bad sign, and you are doing something wrong. You're not supposed to get super sore very often, this is a big fat myth in most cases. You are supposed to be challenging your body and maintaining your gains though. That does not mean you will get sore, or THAT sore to the point it hurts badly. A little soreness is a good thing, more can be too, but not if it happens a lot. If you are not improving because you don't work out every day then you are doing something wrong, be it your diet, your workout plan, your form, given recovery time, sleep schedule, the list goes on. Supplements are only going to help you so much. Before you dive into supplements you should fix your diet, and the way you work out. Don't use supplements as a way to excuse you from the important factors of working out and being healthu. They are called supplements for a reason, and not good habit replacements. You really need to do your research if you haven't already. By the sound of it, you aren't doing enough. Go to bodybuilding.com at least and get obsessed with gaining knowledge there. They have A LOT of reputable knowledge on that site. You will be glad you did your research there. You ask a lot of questions here, so it shows you are quite interested in learning, so it seems you have potential... But there are better places to learn about healthy fitness than WP. <br /> <br />Also if you are getting tired so much, it's possible you are burning out your CNS. You don't want that, because it brings on a lot of other problems in life.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:34 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: My muscle recovery...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>muslimmetalhead wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I have this issue. <br /> <br />When I workout, I am so tired and so sore afterward and the next day, and it hurts like hell. <br /> <br />But if I don't work out, I feel fine, but I never improve and it hurts EVERYDAY like it does the first day when you just start. <br /> <br />I know it may be my diet and my effort level, but what exactly is my problem? <br /> <br />I am thinking of getting some supplements from GNC, but I need lots of money cuz they cost sh!tloads of money.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I am not really sure. How long have you been exercising? How frequently? Maybe you are upping the intensity too quickly? That can cause your muscles to be sore. Best to gradually build endurance.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Delphiki</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:58 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Stretching makes it so you do not feel as sore</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>conan</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:43 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">ewwww that's gross food! i hope his guts cope ok! i have stomach pains today so it's even less desirable. <br /> <br />I'd recommend looking at your warm up/stretching routine and cooldown/stretching. routine. most people find that stretching helps. don't stretch to the point your muscle tries to contract, that is too far. <br /> <br />try self myofascial release if you have any specific muscles you want to work on. i'd recomend just doing it with as many of your muscles as possible as they usually all work together in exercise anyway</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>TM</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:37 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">If you aren't tired as hell and sore as after a workout, you're doing it wrong. Protein + sleep.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>1000Knives</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:10 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Muscle pain you can more or less ignore, just don't ignore tendon/ligament pulls so much. Once you get more endorphins going through you, the pain will pretty much go away. <br /> <br />But, you can eat more, but the problem is you can then get fat. But eating more will make the pain go away quicker, I can almost guarantee it, but you'd probably be having to eat 4-5K calories everyday to feel "awesome." And then you'll be huge, but have no "abs" If you don't wanna eat a lot more, eat more veggies, you'll get a lot more vitamins that way. Ginger and fish oil are good to take, too. Ginger you can just eat from powder from the spice rack or roots from the grocery store. Ginger is also a thermogenic, it'll burn fat by raising your body heat. Fish oil is cheap, you can get like 30 tablets for a buck at the dollar store, and fish oil reduces inflammation. One spice too I like for pain relief is Chinese Five Spice powder. Also, how much sleep do you get every night? Ideally, you should aim for at least 9 or so hours, sometimes after hard hard workouts, 12 is good. <br /> <br /><object width="660" height="405"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Byfc6SBqM-w"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Byfc6SBqM-w&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6&border=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="660" height="405"></embed></object><br /><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Byfc6SBqM-w&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6&border=0" target="_blank"></a><br /> <br />Here's a video by Frank Yang, he's weird as hell, but absolutely hilarious.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>muslimmetalhead</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://cdn.wrongplanet.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:03 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: My muscle recovery...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I have this issue. <br /> <br />When I workout, I am so tired and so sore afterward and the next day, and it hurts like hell. <br /> <br />But if I don't work out, I feel fine, but I never improve and it hurts EVERYDAY like it does the first day when you just start. <br /> <br />I know it may be my diet and my effort level, but what exactly is my problem? <br /> <br />I am thinking of getting some supplements from GNC, but I need lots of money cuz they cost sh!tloads of money.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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