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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>zeldapsychology</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:00 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Sadly the behavior norm for school life and college goes loving Kindergarden and then being stressed from 1st grade-College and sadly I'm looked at as the bad one since I loved college. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /> I think it's sad that the behavior school Norm is stress and complaining etc. when I just tryed to enjoy College and have fun. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JerryHatake</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:10 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Teoka wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't hate NT's, but when I'm dealing with problems related to my AS, it's always from NT's. Not that other NT's don't help me through it, but I've never been bullied by another aspie for dressing similarly every day. <br /> <br />And I disagree, I'd want a child who's autistic/AS. Sure, it would be a challenge, but I feel I could give that child the love, support, and opportunity to grow that I didn't have when I was younger. My parents loved me dearly, yes, but looking back, if they had known I'm AS, it would've prevented a lot of hardships.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Same here because respect can go a long way sometimes.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Teoka</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:35 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't hate NT's, but when I'm dealing with problems related to my AS, it's always from NT's. Not that other NT's don't help me through it, but I've never been bullied by another aspie for dressing similarly every day. <br /> <br />And I disagree, I'd want a child who's autistic/AS. Sure, it would be a challenge, but I feel I could give that child the love, support, and opportunity to grow that I didn't have when I was younger. My parents loved me dearly, yes, but looking back, if they had known I'm AS, it would've prevented a lot of hardships.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>slowmutant</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:31 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It's a grim reality that no one would ask to have an autistic child. Wouldn't affect a mother's love for her child, of course, but I see how it could be a devastation. An autistic child means so much more work and hardship than an NT child. But a mother would love her child no matter how he turned out. One of the most invincible and unbeatable things in this world is a mother's love for her child.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Chibi_Neko</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:54 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think it is NT people that make being AS depressing, some of them take pride in what they are and diss what we are. When parents are told their child is autistic they say things like 'my world has ended' or 'I feel destroyed'. They don't really think about how we feel, and that can have a negative impact on us, at least it did to me.... does my mom like the way I am? Was she dissapointed because she did not get what she wanted?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ToadOfSteel</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:48 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Is making note of the lying and cheating common to NT's elitism? All I want is some straight truth. I don't say that actually telling the truth is "superior" in any way (in some ways, lying is its own art form), but I just want NT's to stop lying nearly every time they open their bloody mouths...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>matsuiny2004</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:36 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>JerryHatake wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Well blame William Shakespeare and his play the Tragedy of Richard III were Richard is deformed and evil which is this sigma now with disabilities by non-disabilities people. The founder of Delta Alpha Pi Honor Society for students of all disabilities stated this fact at Mason Xi Chapter of DAP Induction Ceremony (I'm a member).</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I never knew that <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif" alt="Shocked" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JerryHatake</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:49 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well blame William Shakespeare and his play the Tragedy of Richard III were Richard is deformed and evil which is this sigma now with disabilities by non-disabilities people. The founder of Delta Alpha Pi Honor Society for students of all disabilities stated this fact at Mason Xi Chapter of DAP Induction Ceremony (I'm a member).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>demoluca</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:33 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Unique are us? topic <br /> <br />I think people on the Spectrum are going through a stage that African Americans, women and other minorities did at their radical phase. For too long we were invisible, then we were singled out, shamed and pitied and now we see ourselves as strong and proud, and not on need of fixing and curing. The radical stage is important and necessary in order to understand ourselves as unique and valued and so that we can define ourselves and not let others (usually NTs) do this for us. Cool <br /> <br />So I understand the premise, even if I do not understand the insect illustration. <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Exactly.And how are we elitest for not feeling inferior to Everyone else? <br /> <br />Just as long as we don't think we're any better I don't think it's healthy to be all like.."oh..they are so much better then me.." <br /> <br />Rather then."BOTH groups are good." <br /> <br />And i was just pointing pointing out that by saying you're any better then elitism is being elitist yourself.*shrug*</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Tormod</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:24 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Is that so. I may be elitist then. I donät want to be, because I agree about it being wrong, but not being elitist seem hard. Without being elitistic against elitists I mean.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>slowmutant</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:09 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Not believing you're inferior is not the same as elitism. But it can turn into elitist mentality very easily if your sense of self-worth eclipses your notion of others. Elitism means believing in yourself <br /><span style="font-style: italic">too much</span> and in others <span style="font-style: italic">too little</span>.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Tormod</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:29 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Is that so. I don't see it but... what I'm trying to ask is why is it that not believeing that you're inferior the same as elitism. <br /> <br />I'm really sorry about my inability to express myself. What is it that contradicts what? I’m not good at using words, so it’s probably a misunderstanding. I don’t know how to use words properly. I’m unable to say what I’m actually thinking. Because of this I usually avoid trying, but in this case I really wanted to understand. I envy you literate people who can write clearly and say what you think.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>slowmutant</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:16 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">You contradict yourself about a dozen times here. I can't even keep track of what it is you were trying to say. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_question.gif" alt="Question" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Tormod</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:00 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't dislike NTs. I do dislike "normal" people though. I mean the people who are like everyone else AND think that everyone else should be, too. And I do think that most of those people are NTs. I could be wrong, of course, since I haven't met a lot of aspies, really. And I do dislike people who think everyone should be like them, if they are a minority too. <br /> <br />Anyway, I don't really think having concerns about that kind of people is a case of aspie elitism. I have NT friends who are very much for equality too and also dislike the way you have to be like "everyone else" in order not to be bullied and discriminated against. <br /> <br />I wonder, is it really wrong of me to think like this? Or to believe that a lot of discrimination against minorities is going on in the world, and wishing that would change? I just find it hard to believe that the world is really inhabited mainly by really great. The state of the planet contradicts it. <br /> <br />Another thing that I wonder is, why is it wrong to be proud of your AS traits? I'm happy being me, and although there are a some things I would change if I could, I wouldn't want to become NT, because I want to think that there really isn't anything wrong with me. I refuse to believe that I'm a disorder, or that I'm inferior. I also believe that aspies really are better than NT's in several ways, though the reverse is also true. There are some NT-abilities that seem truly superhuman to me, and that I would not mind having. But at other times, it seems that the average person is, well, inferior. I cannot verify if this is less common with aspies of course, I only know two others. <br /> <br />One thing that I sometimes do, though not on here because it would serve no point, is to suggest that NTs are actually the disordered ones, and it is them that are disabled. But the reason I do this is the question the common viewpoint that autism is some kind of disease, and that there is something wrong with it. I don't think they are disordered any more than I. <br /> <br />But I want to know, what does all this make me? To me it's just a believing in equality, perhaps combined with some general pessimism, but I have gotten the impression that displaying any kind of pride or self-respect is the same as elitism on here. <br /> <br />Of course I often do misunderstand things like this, which is why all I’m doing is honestly asking for someone to explain to me in simple way that I can understand. I haven’t been here for very long, and there may be parts of this community that I have totally missed, and I’m also not good at detecting attitudes and opinions, unless it’s right-out stated.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>sartresue</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://wrongplanet.cachefly.net/modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:43 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Us Unique People?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Unique are us? topic <br /> <br />I think people on the Spectrum are going through a stage that African Americans, women and other minorities did at their radical phase. For too long we were invisible, then we were singled out, shamed and pitied and now we see ourselves as strong and proud, and not on need of fixing and curing. The radical stage is important and necessary in order to understand ourselves as unique and valued and so that we can define ourselves and not let others (usually NTs) do this for us. <img src="modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif" alt="Cool" border="0" /> <br /> <br />So I understand the premise, even if I do not understand the insect illustration.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="modules/Forums/templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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