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06 Dec 2010, 11:34 am

Behold the idiotic, inhumane and repugnant precept the Jew is bound by his allegiance to God to follow:

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good, and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Behold the idiotic, inhumane and repugnant precept the Christian is bound by his allegiance to Jesus to follow:

Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

And he said, He that shewed mercy on him.

Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Happy St Nicholas Day. Do some stealthy good today.



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06 Dec 2010, 11:55 am

"Anything in the seas or in the streams that has no fins and scales are an abomination for you, and an abomination for you they shall remain: you shall not eat of their flesh and you shall abominate their carcasses" - Leviticus 11:10-11

"everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death."
-Leviticus 20:9

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you."
-Leviticus 25:44


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06 Dec 2010, 7:11 pm

It has become almost impossible to find pork tongues for sale, and the CP stopped carrying those really good turtle candies because they had transfats.

The term Black Friday has been labelled racist and failure to use he or she is sexist, remembering that if some one feels harassed by you you harassed him or her.

Illegal immigrants staffing affluent suburbs.

Ignoring the fact the last is an serious advance over the practice of enslaving your compatriots

And what is the source of the atheist's drive to do mercy and justice?



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06 Dec 2010, 7:21 pm

Philologos wrote:
And what is the source of the atheist's drive to do mercy and justice?

Conscience, basically like everybody else's drive when you really dig down into it.



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06 Dec 2010, 7:30 pm

@skafather84

Exodus 21:16, 'Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death.'


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06 Dec 2010, 7:46 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Philologos wrote:
And what is the source of the atheist's drive to do mercy and justice?

Conscience, basically like everybody else's drive when you really dig down into it.


Conscience is too broad and undefined. Empathy wold be better since most or probably all social animals must have it.



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06 Dec 2010, 7:48 pm

91 wrote:
@skafather84

Exodus 21:16, 'Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death.'


Hmm, so looks like slavers that kidnap people and take them to Ancient Israel in order to sell them have a death sentence on their heads if the Israelis had found out that they were kidnapped. :lol:



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06 Dec 2010, 8:25 pm

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And what is the source of the atheist's drive to do mercy and justice?


The good sense required to know what it takes to have a peaceful productive society. One does not need God to see what is the Right Thing to do.

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06 Dec 2010, 9:13 pm

ruveyn wrote:
One does not need God to see what is the Right Thing to do



You'd think that but at my more cynical moments, I think otherwise.


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06 Dec 2010, 9:17 pm

Peaceful productive society -

Would be nice - though my own drive is more solitary than collective - different topic.

The pity is, the said drive is either not well distributed or not very strong. in lotsa lotsa pipples.

In practice, though there are mercy and justice seekers, majority they don't seem to be.



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06 Dec 2010, 9:25 pm

I've got to say that the Early Modern English syntax threw me for a loop. I initially saw the words shewed and Jew and thought this might be some anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about "shrewd Jews." I'm still not exactly sure what is intended by, "How sharper than an atheist wit."

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How much sharper than an atheist's wit?
How [have those] sharper than an atheist wit [spoken? come to know?]?



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06 Dec 2010, 11:22 pm

Sand wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Philologos wrote:
And what is the source of the atheist's drive to do mercy and justice?

Conscience, basically like everybody else's drive when you really dig down into it.


Conscience is too broad and undefined. Empathy wold be better since most or probably all social animals must have it.

Empathy only covers mercy, not justice. Conscience is sufficiently defined. The word is commonly used and used in a useful manner. It suffices.



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06 Dec 2010, 11:36 pm

NeantHumain -

always explain coded references when asked straightforwardly.

We start with King Lear>

How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child!

Parallelling to How sharper than an atheist's wit it is [ellipsis - to have a creature who is not thankful to the creator.]



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07 Dec 2010, 12:10 am

Inuyasha wrote:
91 wrote:
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Exodus 21:16, 'Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death.'


Hmm, so looks like slavers that kidnap people and take them to Ancient Israel in order to sell them have a death sentence on their heads if the Israelis had found out that they were kidnapped. :lol:


Yeah, despite the popular belief to the contrary, ancient Israel had some of the most stringent slavery laws before the nineteenth century. The abundance of rules relating to how slaves could be treated is often misrepresented. (@potential responders, before you mention the Canaanites, please do some research.)


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07 Dec 2010, 12:20 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Sand wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Philologos wrote:
And what is the source of the atheist's drive to do mercy and justice?

Conscience, basically like everybody else's drive when you really dig down into it.


Conscience is too broad and undefined. Empathy wold be better since most or probably all social animals must have it.

Empathy only covers mercy, not justice. Conscience is sufficiently defined. The word is commonly used and used in a useful manner. It suffices.


Empathy involves the ability of someone to consider any maltreatment of another as a maltreatment of one's self. Justice is clearly covered there.



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07 Dec 2010, 12:49 am

Philologos wrote:
And what is the source of the atheist's drive to do mercy and justice?
Does child porn turn people into pedophiles or does child porn simply appeal to people who are already pedophiles? Religion appeals to our morality, it doesn't create it.