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17 Nov 2014, 2:17 pm

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Well, to answer the question; I am a Muslim, adherent of Islam, I always was a Muslim. I do accept evolution, but I am critical and skeptic of the theory on evolution, which means that I am not blindly believing it, or rather believe anything about it, I think natural selection is a myth. I am indifferent about homosexuals and all those other queers, I don't support them, I'm not against them either.. I am accepting of other people's faiths, but I like to question them and have debates with those followers.


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How do you believe in evolution without believing in natural selection? Both extinction and speciation have been observed. That sounds like natural selection to me.



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17 Nov 2014, 2:36 pm

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Well, to answer the question; I am a Muslim, adherent of Islam, I always was a Muslim. I do accept evolution, but I am critical and skeptic of the theory on evolution, which means that I am not blindly believing it, or rather believe anything about it, I think natural selection is a myth. I am indifferent about homosexuals and all those other queers, I don't support them, I'm not against them either.. I am accepting of other people's faiths, but I like to question them and have debates with those followers.


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How do you believe in evolution without believing in natural selection? Both extinction and speciation have been observed. That sounds like natural selection to me.


I thought someone's first impression would have been about homosexuals and all those other queers. I know that's what stuck out for me.


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17 Nov 2014, 2:39 pm

Not particularly interested in religion. Indifferent about them. I practice Stoicism.



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17 Nov 2014, 2:47 pm

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Liveirarica wrote:
Well, to answer the question; I am a Muslim, adherent of Islam, I always was a Muslim. I do accept evolution, but I am critical and skeptic of the theory on evolution, which means that I am not blindly believing it, or rather believe anything about it, I think natural selection is a myth. I am indifferent about homosexuals and all those other queers, I don't support them, I'm not against them either.. I am accepting of other people's faiths, but I like to question them and have debates with those followers.


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How do you believe in evolution without believing in natural selection? Both extinction and speciation have been observed. That sounds like natural selection to me.
Natural selection is the atheistic concept of intelligent design. The 'disbelief I have about natural selection is that it explains intelligent design without crediting God, but coming with a nontheistic answer, just like the Hindus did in the ancient times to answer about the Universe, without bringing gods.

This does not mean I don't believe in the concept of Natural Selection, but it has the power of God and happens purposely with the intention of God, not a random process of unconscious nature.

I understand it's understandable with science as it tries to give out a nontheistic explanation, but natural selection isn't exactly any more empirical than ID, which is why I have the right to accept one over the another without being wrong in it. I shouldn't have used the word "myth", but it still is in my eyes as it tries to explain an unsupported, non-empirical hypothesis of random process, I still can believe in evolution, it's just not an evolution of without God.



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17 Nov 2014, 2:50 pm

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Liveirarica wrote:
Well, to answer the question; I am a Muslim, adherent of Islam, I always was a Muslim. I do accept evolution, but I am critical and skeptic of the theory on evolution, which means that I am not blindly believing it, or rather believe anything about it, I think natural selection is a myth. I am indifferent about homosexuals and all those other queers, I don't support them, I'm not against them either.. I am accepting of other people's faiths, but I like to question them and have debates with those followers.


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How do you believe in evolution without believing in natural selection? Both extinction and speciation have been observed. That sounds like natural selection to me.


I thought someone's first impression would have been about homosexuals and all those other queers. I know that's what stuck out for me.
Isn't 'queer' an umbrella term to refer anyone of the LGBT community, positively? I've heard a lot of queers calling themselves for 'queers', I don't find it derogatory.



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17 Nov 2014, 2:54 pm

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Natural selection is the atheistic concept of intelligent design. The 'myth' about natural selection is that it explains intelligent design without crediting God, but coming with a nontheistic answer, just like the Hindus did in the ancient times to answer about the Universe, without bringing gods. This does not mean I don't believe in the concept of Natural Selection, but it has the power of God and happens purposely with the intention of God, not a random process of unconscious nature.

Natural selection in not random. And it's central to the idea of evolution.



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17 Nov 2014, 3:05 pm

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Natural selection is the atheistic concept of intelligent design. The 'myth' about natural selection is that it explains intelligent design without crediting God, but coming with a nontheistic answer, just like the Hindus did in the ancient times to answer about the Universe, without bringing gods. This does not mean I don't believe in the concept of Natural Selection, but it has the power of God and happens purposely with the intention of God, not a random process of unconscious nature.

Natural selection in not random. And it's central to the idea of evolution.
Pardon my ignorance, obviously NS is not random, though, I believe my point still stands on that NS is atheistic, while ID is the theistic concept based upon the NS' scientific concept. But how is it a central idea of evolution, maybe Darwinism, but not Evolution.



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17 Nov 2014, 3:48 pm

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Liveirarica wrote:
Well, to answer the question; I am a Muslim, adherent of Islam, I always was a Muslim. I do accept evolution, but I am critical and skeptic of the theory on evolution, which means that I am not blindly believing it, or rather believe anything about it, I think natural selection is a myth. I am indifferent about homosexuals and all those other queers, I don't support them, I'm not against them either.. I am accepting of other people's faiths, but I like to question them and have debates with those followers.


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How do you believe in evolution without believing in natural selection? Both extinction and speciation have been observed. That sounds like natural selection to me.


I thought someone's first impression would have been about homosexuals and all those other queers. I know that's what stuck out for me.
Isn't 'queer' an umbrella term to refer anyone of the LGBT community, positively? I've heard a lot of queers calling themselves for 'queers', I don't find it derogatory.


As I understand the usage, it's comparable to the N word - that is, only those of that particular group can use it without it being derogatory. But I now understand you hadn't meant to sound bigoted.


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17 Nov 2014, 4:03 pm

Liveirarica wrote:
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Natural selection is the atheistic concept of intelligent design. The 'myth' about natural selection is that it explains intelligent design without crediting God, but coming with a nontheistic answer, just like the Hindus did in the ancient times to answer about the Universe, without bringing gods. This does not mean I don't believe in the concept of Natural Selection, but it has the power of God and happens purposely with the intention of God, not a random process of unconscious nature.

Natural selection in not random. And it's central to the idea of evolution.
Pardon my ignorance, obviously NS is not random, though, I believe my point still stands on that NS is atheistic, while ID is the theistic concept based upon the NS' scientific concept. But how is it a central idea of evolution, maybe Darwinism, but not Evolution.

There is no theory of evolution without natural selection. And it is technically neutral on the subject of god (but atheists would say it does remove him as a necessary aspect of the origin of species).



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17 Nov 2014, 5:00 pm

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Natural selection is the atheistic concept of intelligent design. The 'myth' about natural selection is that it explains intelligent design without crediting God, but coming with a nontheistic answer, just like the Hindus did in the ancient times to answer about the Universe, without bringing gods. This does not mean I don't believe in the concept of Natural Selection, but it has the power of God and happens purposely with the intention of God, not a random process of unconscious nature.

Natural selection in not random. And it's central to the idea of evolution.
Pardon my ignorance, obviously NS is not random, though, I believe my point still stands on that NS is atheistic, while ID is the theistic concept based upon the NS' scientific concept. But how is it a central idea of evolution, maybe Darwinism, but not Evolution.

There is no theory of evolution without natural selection. And it is technically neutral on the subject of god (but atheists would say it does remove him as a necessary aspect of the origin of species).
Yes, I was right then, just a slightly confused. As when I was saying "random", I actually meant "atheistic" on that it refers no God and that in that context, it would be "random", but that was only because I misspoke and did a common speech error of from the closest that describe my incident as "malapropism" (but as in confusion of definitions rather than in the soundalike of the words). I did say I doubt NS though, it lacks evidence for me to believe in, I don't believe much of Darwinism, just the core facts and well supported theories, NS is the least evidenced. That doesn't mean that I reject its existence, I just don't think we have developed it enough.

I wouldn't say NS is neutral, it's just indifferent and tries to explain things objectively, just like as we can say that God is responsible for Big Bang, but science tries to elaborate with testable evidence rather than bold statements, in detail without giving us a "god" answer. I never claimed though that there would be a theory of evolution without NS, seems irrelevant to the topic, I'm not supposing it was meant as a straw man, so I take it immaterially.



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17 Nov 2014, 5:03 pm

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Liveirarica wrote:
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Liveirarica wrote:
Well, to answer the question; I am a Muslim, adherent of Islam, I always was a Muslim. I do accept evolution, but I am critical and skeptic of the theory on evolution, which means that I am not blindly believing it, or rather believe anything about it, I think natural selection is a myth. I am indifferent about homosexuals and all those other queers, I don't support them, I'm not against them either.. I am accepting of other people's faiths, but I like to question them and have debates with those followers.


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How do you believe in evolution without believing in natural selection? Both extinction and speciation have been observed. That sounds like natural selection to me.


I thought someone's first impression would have been about homosexuals and all those other queers. I know that's what stuck out for me.
Isn't 'queer' an umbrella term to refer anyone of the LGBT community, positively? I've heard a lot of queers calling themselves for 'queers', I don't find it derogatory.


As I understand the usage, it's comparable to the N word - that is, only those of that particular group can use it without it being derogatory. But I now understand you hadn't meant to sound bigoted.
According to S. Freud, we're all bisexuals, which I wholeheartedly believe. It's been observed in the nature and surveys. I consider myself as a bisexual, I guess I can say the word then.



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17 Nov 2014, 5:15 pm

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Liveirarica wrote:
Well, to answer the question; I am a Muslim, adherent of Islam, I always was a Muslim. I do accept evolution, but I am critical and skeptic of the theory on evolution, which means that I am not blindly believing it, or rather believe anything about it, I think natural selection is a myth. I am indifferent about homosexuals and all those other queers, I don't support them, I'm not against them either.. I am accepting of other people's faiths, but I like to question them and have debates with those followers.


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How do you believe in evolution without believing in natural selection? Both extinction and speciation have been observed. That sounds like natural selection to me.


I thought someone's first impression would have been about homosexuals and all those other queers. I know that's what stuck out for me.
Isn't 'queer' an umbrella term to refer anyone of the LGBT community, positively? I've heard a lot of queers calling themselves for 'queers', I don't find it derogatory.


As I understand the usage, it's comparable to the N word - that is, only those of that particular group can use it without it being derogatory. But I now understand you hadn't meant to sound bigoted.
According to S. Freud, we're all bisexuals, which I wholeheartedly believe. It's been observed in the nature and surveys. I consider myself as a bisexual, I guess I can say the word then.


You actually have something in common with my wife: she identifies as bisexual, too.


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17 Nov 2014, 8:54 pm

^^^

The Kinsey report on human sexuality is similar with the suggestion that there is at least some propensity of same sex attraction in human beings per 96% of the general population if my memory serves me correct on that study. But never the less, the results do lean toward Freud's idea that all human beings are inherently bi-sexual with culture repressing and oppressing those natural ways of life.

Moreover some fundamentalist religious folks will tell you that homosexuality doesn't really exist in the animal kingdom, where our closest primate relative the Bonobo with a similar empathy gene and empathy related brain structures they share with no primate but humans TOTALLY BLOWS THIS IDEA OUT OF THE WATER, as Bonobos use homosexual and heterosexual sex to resolve conflicts in a natural way avoiding violence and living very peacefully.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgl3xwroPrQ[/youtube]

The level of homophobia in the world is easily explained by this as so many men are obsessed with their penises and the penises of other guys, when women don't give a crap overall what size they are unless they are gross looking per aesthetics.

I consider myself 100% heterosexual, however I cannot preclude the possibility that my Vagina only interest is not associated with a region I grew up in, that considered same sex attraction as an hell fire offense.

But never the less, the Kinsey report does suggest that a small percentage of human beings are Hetero only and perhaps folks like me are the ones with the real problems in life, as it's truly NOT NORMAL, IRONICALLY, PER THE RESEARCH THAT does EXIST, PER HETERO ONLY LEANING FOLKS.

AND the women in dance clubs now, do not hide their attraction to women anymore as delicate feminine girls do the bootie dance with other girls freely to the horror of some homophobic dudes, that think the world is coming to an end now that they have set their basic human natural propensities free in a culture that yes, overall does accept it in big dance clubs, in metro areas, now. But no still, overall, not for men in non-homosexual clubs, the last hold-out of one of the greatest human illusory fears, it seems, yes, so ironically it seems in the grand scheme of human being and Mother Nature True aka GOD too.


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None. I'm a lifelong atheist, and deeply grateful to have been raised in secular household. I began to consider myself an antitheist around the beginning of adolescence.


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