Nigel Farage caught admitting he would privatise NHS

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I believe there is a fundamental difference between essential services that are necessary to sustain life and peripheral services that lead to a augmented or 'happy' life. It is a matter of simple human decency to recognise and acknowledge this difference.

Commodifying the former, always leads to a scenario where people are suffering and dying because of preventable causes. I believe that is inexcusable, especially in countries with abundancy economies with elites living in grotesque wealth.

Almost. One of the reasons for UKIP's rise to power is their 'not being as right wing as the BNP'. Well, that and the fact that every other sentence on BBC news or from from the filthy lips of Nick 'hatchet job on Alex Salmond' Robinson seems to mention either UKIP or Nigel Farage.

They've managed to opportunistically tap into the English sensibility of "I'm not racist but..." UKIP represents entryist politics at its most cynical.

Who do you think he will invade first, and could he be planning to gas the muslims?


Do you think being able to make a distinction implies that the former is (a) right?


Could you give some examples?

Er what? I don't here many people clamouring for farms to be nationalised, even though food is far more essential than healthcare. Or for socialised clothing, despite the need to avoid dying of exposure. Or for housing (though the state does get involved there, with council houses). Why is healthcare, the lack of which will cause you to die in a few months to a few years if you have a chronic condition, rather than the few hours to few weeks of clothing or food, somehow different? Why can't the model applied to those two (benefits) be extended to cover health, rather than having the government running a healthcare monopoly?

The government doesn't have a healthcare monopoly. It might have something resembling a monopsony.

A monopsony in this case is a good thing, because it reduces healthcare costs. Central government running healthcare is thus more efficient than private healthcare.

I would disagree. The public-private monopsony in the UK has led to a situation where doctors and resources are being bled off to the private sector and has in turn led to a two tier service for the very poorest.

Nice trolling attempt.


Well, that really depends on whether you believe that allowing people to die in order to satisfy some libertarian dogma about the 'infallibility' of free markets is an acceptable phenomenon. Which is a question of your personal world view.

I personally, do not believe it is acceptable.



My pleasure.

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The US government spends almost twice as much per capita on public health care than the UK, yet you use it as a contrasting example of the opposite. Why is that?

Your sentence only makes sense if you don't know what a monopsony is. In a true monopsony, doctors would have to work in the NHS for whatever wage was offered. Of course, that would be a terrible system.

accusation the pro-european union is making because he is pro nation instead of pro union. and there is nothing wrong with being right wing, or conservative, nazi isn't even a valid insult. it sounds like they are just trying to be edgy and keep people from seeing this guys points.

Farage is, just like Hitler was, in favour of universal health care.

This is the worst case of Godwin's law I think i've ever seen in a thread on the internet. Except I wasn't the one who invoked it despite being the critic of Farage.

Except that UKIP doesn't seem to have any positive points whatsover to make. They are anti NHS, they are anti immigration and they are anti Europe. Former Prime minister John Major said recently "UKIP is the anti everything party". Which is a fair analysis. First time I find myself agreeing with a tory.

Its not the spending that is important as much as the accessibility at point of demand.

A modest service available when its needed is still superior to no service when its needed. Did you care to check out those links about the Americans who fell through the cracks in the system? My point is in the UK, Canada and Europe, there is no such cracks. EVERYONE gets treated.

You were supposed to give some examples of countries where commodifying essential services that are necessary to sustain life leads to a scenario where people are suffering and dying because of preventable causes. I don't see the point of this thread all the time Farage doesn't want to privatise the NHS, the US is a welfare state, and a simple Google search reveals an incredible amount of cracks where you claim there are none.

that's your personal opinion. there is nothing wrong with being anti any of those things they are very valid positions to take. taking in foreingers takes in foreign stupidity and negative cultures, and europeon union destroys the rights of the countries in it, not sure what nhs is but you can't just throw out accusations instead of actually debating the other side in good faith that makes you part of the problem. I'm very pro-ukip personally.