Why the Ancient Alien Theory could be possible.

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15 Nov 2014, 2:50 am

First off, I realize there isn't any evidence ET has visited Earth let alone colonized and we are descendants of such colonies. At the same time, I am acutely aware many events might have occurred throughout history that we know nothing about. Entire civilizations slip beneath the crust of awareness, way into the mantel where we cannot reach nor discern yet they were here just unbeknownst to us. So really. we do not know if ET has visited in the past.

The Ancient Alien Theory is possible for one reason and that is because of what is unfolding in the minds of astrophysicists and other related scientists right now in their quest for other planets and heavenly bodies that might contain life, comets, for example. in hopes of one day finding future homes for humans. If these people can contemplate and, perhaps, experience success moving humans to various locations around the galaxy, places they are not indigenous, why can't aliens do the same?

What fascinates me is the idea humans could move to another planet, experiencing success, existing for perhaps a million years and in that span, lose the knowledge they ever came from anywhere else so everyone existing there believes that is where they originated. Perhaps calamity and set backs robbed such once newcomers of the information regarding their origins? Such individuals, themselves, would become components of the Ancient Alien Theory.

It's interesting thinking about it. Can a species really keep track of itself for millions of years? That would be an extremely orderly species.



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15 Nov 2014, 3:37 am

Well obviously if we contemplate colonizing the stars there could be ETs contemplating colonizing this way as well. That goes without saying as being the assumption that the whole modern urban myth of UFOs is based upon. We are being visited by more advanced versions of ourselves. NASA in reverse.

Isaac Asimov pretty much based all of his science fiction, and science fact, writing on the assumption that it was man's manifest destiny to colonize space in the coming centuries. He said that "thousands of years from now the average human may not know where Earth is, or even doubt that such a place as 'Earth' ever really existed".

On the subject of maintaining records for super long time: Kurt Vonnegut Jr. had a time traveling character in a novel who reported that in the far future the human race will have so much clutter on the planet that it will be forced to trash all of the historic records of the first one million years after Christ. Then forever after that point all history books would have these two sentences: "After the death of Christ there was period of readjustment. This period lasted approximately one million years." as the only reference to the first million years AD.



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15 Nov 2014, 5:49 am

I do not think we are directly related. Our DNA is ape, we can pick up mixes with Neanderthal, anything off planet would show up.

Stories of the sons of god and the daughters of man come from a recent time.

Other stories from much farther back say humans were developed to till the fields of the gods, and there is evidence that some intervention could have happened, as our species, in it's current form appears 125,000 years ago. It seems the result of cross breeding with Neanderthal, perhaps Denisovan, Hidelburgis, with perhaps some Erectus as a starting point. We have never found older versions of our line.

It could have involved more lab work, as we have a lot in common with pigs, that we do not with other apes.

In this story the gods produced a domestic animal to serve them, much like we breed livestock, culling the wild and dangerous, breeding the docile and obediant.

For the first 75,000 years humans are found in one small area of the middle east, and they are few.

At least two admixtures of Neanderthal DNA replace the male line.

The result was still smaller than a Neanderthal, and had a 1200 cc brain compared to the Neanderthal 1600, so the original stock must have had an 800 cc brain. Erectus fits the model.

In the short time we have been breeding animals we have a hairless cat and dog. No one has come up with a good natural reason for the hairless ground ape.

The first cultural artifacts are found outside the original area, are from 50,000 years ago. We can track their spread from there, they had wavey head hair.

So just working with available DNA and selective breeding, aliens could have produced the traits we see of a species that has not changed, a true breed, that is capable of learning, and original thought.

While the pointed stick, stabbing spear, chipped sharp rock carried in the hand and the use of fire goes back millions of years unchanged, Going forward from 50,000 years ago has been one advance after another. If nothing had happened, nothing would have changed.

That is the best evidence that the gods did come, and created man in their own image, but used only local material to advance local intelligent life.

Sometimes it seems we are halfway there.



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15 Nov 2014, 8:35 am

http://webserv.jcu.edu/bible/200/Readings/Atrahasis.htm
Ea made his voice heard
And spoke to the gods his brothers,


Why are we blaming them?
Their work was too hard, their trouble was too much.
Every day the earth resounded.
The warning signal was loud enough, we kept hearing the noise.
There is...
Belet-ili the womb goddess is present-

Let her create a mortal man
So that he may bear the yoke...
So that he may bear the yoke, the work of Ellil,
Let man bear the load of the gods!
...
Belet-ili the womb goddess is present,
Let the womb goddess create offspring,
And let them bear the load of the gods!



They called up the goddess, asked
The midwife of the gods, wise Mami,


You are the womb-goddess, to be the creator of Mankind!
Create a mortal, that he may bear the yoke!
Let him bear the yoke, the work of Ellil
Let him bear the load of the gods!



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15 Nov 2014, 8:55 am

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In the short time we have been breeding animals we have a hairless cat and dog. No one has come up with a good natural reason for the hairless ground ape.


One possible reason for human hairlessness I've heard of is persistance hunting. Early humans hunted antelopes and similar animals by jogging after them even though the animals were faster. But the animals could not regulate their temperature so eventually the humans would catch up to the animal when the animal was overheated and tired. Humans have low top speed but great endurance (if they train it of course, the modern couch potatoes like me couldn't do it).



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15 Nov 2014, 1:35 pm

trollcatman wrote:
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In the short time we have been breeding animals we have a hairless cat and dog. No one has come up with a good natural reason for the hairless ground ape.


One possible reason for human hairlessness I've heard of is persistance hunting. Early humans hunted antelopes and similar animals by jogging after them even though the animals were faster. But the animals could not regulate their temperature so eventually the humans would catch up to the animal when the animal was overheated and tired. Humans have low top speed but great endurance (if they train it of course, the modern couch potatoes like me couldn't do it).


An alternate theory postulates that we humans are the descendants of semi aquatic apes who had lost their body hair for the same reasons why dolphins and whales had. We, after all, are the only primates who can hold our breath under water, while our ape cousins can only cross through water standing up. This theory also says that our semi aquatic ancestors had eaten fish, well known as brain food, thus eventually giving us our magnificent brains. Right now, this theory is a minority opinion.


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15 Nov 2014, 1:36 pm

trollcatman wrote:
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In the short time we have been breeding animals we have a hairless cat and dog. No one has come up with a good natural reason for the hairless ground ape.


One possible reason for human hairlessness I've heard of is persistance hunting. Early humans hunted antelopes and similar animals by jogging after them even though the animals were faster. But the animals could not regulate their temperature so eventually the humans would catch up to the animal when the animal was overheated and tired. Humans have low top speed but great endurance (if they train it of course, the modern couch potatoes like me couldn't do it).


An alternate theory postulates that we humans are the descendants of semi aquatic apes who had lost their body hair for the same reasons why dolphins and whales had. We, after all, are the only primates who can hold our breath under water, while our ape cousins can only cross through water standing up. This theory also says that our semi aquatic ancestors had eaten fish, well known as brain food, thus eventually giving us our magnificent brains. Right now, this theory is a minority opinion.


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15 Nov 2014, 2:26 pm

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trollcatman wrote:
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In the short time we have been breeding animals we have a hairless cat and dog. No one has come up with a good natural reason for the hairless ground ape.


One possible reason for human hairlessness I've heard of is persistance hunting. Early humans hunted antelopes and similar animals by jogging after them even though the animals were faster. But the animals could not regulate their temperature so eventually the humans would catch up to the animal when the animal was overheated and tired. Humans have low top speed but great endurance (if they train it of course, the modern couch potatoes like me couldn't do it).


An alternate theory postulates that we humans are the descendants of semi aquatic apes who had lost their body hair for the same reasons why dolphins and whales had. We, after all, are the only primates who can hold our breath under water, while our ape cousins can only cross through water standing up. This theory also says that our semi aquatic ancestors had eaten fish, well known as brain food, thus eventually giving us our magnificent brains. Right now, this theory is a minority opinion.


Am familiar with Alister Hardy's aquatic ape theory (popularized by author Elaine Morgan). Its not as crazy as it sounds. And when there were bigger gaps in the fossil record than now it seemed more plausible than now. Not really disproven even now. Prolly wrong, but its a definite mindbender because a number of facts about human physiology seem to be evidence for aquatic adaptation (like hairlessness, and subcutaneous fat).



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15 Nov 2014, 3:59 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
Inventor wrote:
In the short time we have been breeding animals we have a hairless cat and dog. No one has come up with a good natural reason for the hairless ground ape.


One possible reason for human hairlessness I've heard of is persistance hunting. Early humans hunted antelopes and similar animals by jogging after them even though the animals were faster. But the animals could not regulate their temperature so eventually the humans would catch up to the animal when the animal was overheated and tired. Humans have low top speed but great endurance (if they train it of course, the modern couch potatoes like me couldn't do it).


An alternate theory postulates that we humans are the descendants of semi aquatic apes who had lost their body hair for the same reasons why dolphins and whales had. We, after all, are the only primates who can hold our breath under water, while our ape cousins can only cross through water standing up. This theory also says that our semi aquatic ancestors had eaten fish, well known as brain food, thus eventually giving us our magnificent brains. Right now, this theory is a minority opinion.


Am familiar with Alister Hardy's aquatic ape theory (popularized by author Elaine Morgan). Its not as crazy as it sounds. And when there were bigger gaps in the fossil record than now it seemed more plausible than now. Not really disproven even now. Prolly wrong, but its a definite mindbender because a number of facts about human physiology seem to be evidence for aquatic adaptation (like hairlessness, and subcutaneous fat).


Who knows, maybe something in between those two theories of human evolution - the popular consensus and the semi aquatic ape theory - had taken place.


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15 Nov 2014, 4:23 pm

We might not be related but we could have been visited by aliens or they could have sprung up here and mixed with us, which is what Ancient Alien Theorists think could have happened. Or, they could have visited, mixed with some apelike species and that were somehow wiped from existence, either through genocides or natural disasters like large floods.

One part of the theory explores the possibility or genes were manipulated by aliens and this is why we are so different from species around us and do not really fit in with the natural order of the planet which is based on Darwin's theory, pretty much, or law of the jungle. Our existence is more of a science based selection of genes rather than natural and it doesn't necessarily mean we will get the genes that will help us survive. We compensate through elaborate social structures that provide care and nurturing for those that would appear genetically inferior and unable to survive in Darwin's theory.

What I am most interested in is the Ancient Alien Theory unraveling right before my eyes - or sort of - if I live long enough to witness it since science seems to take a while. Even if the theory is false and aliens never visited this planet, it doesn't mean they haven't visited other planets, colonized and are unaware they were at one time alien to their home. So the theory could apply elsewhere for all we know. And, it doesn't preclude our future as Alien theorists who become a part of other planet's civilization's histories.



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16 Nov 2014, 10:52 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
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In the short time we have been breeding animals we have a hairless cat and dog. No one has come up with a good natural reason for the hairless ground ape.


One possible reason for human hairlessness I've heard of is persistance hunting. Early humans hunted antelopes and similar animals by jogging after them even though the animals were faster. But the animals could not regulate their temperature so eventually the humans would catch up to the animal when the animal was overheated and tired. Humans have low top speed but great endurance (if they train it of course, the modern couch potatoes like me couldn't do it).


An alternate theory postulates that we humans are the descendants of semi aquatic apes who had lost their body hair for the same reasons why dolphins and whales had. We, after all, are the only primates who can hold our breath under water, while our ape cousins can only cross through water standing up. This theory also says that our semi aquatic ancestors had eaten fish, well known as brain food, thus eventually giving us our magnificent brains. Right now, this theory is a minority opinion.


Am familiar with Alister Hardy's aquatic ape theory (popularized by author Elaine Morgan). Its not as crazy as it sounds. And when there were bigger gaps in the fossil record than now it seemed more plausible than now. Not really disproven even now. Prolly wrong, but its a definite mindbender because a number of facts about human physiology seem to be evidence for aquatic adaptation (like hairlessness, and subcutaneous fat).


Who knows, maybe something in between those two theories of human evolution - the popular consensus and the semi aquatic ape theory - had taken place.


I find the aquatic ape a bit hard to believe, since humans are one of the few mammals that can't swim without learning. On the other hand humans often live close to rivers or the sea. I think holding our breath could be because we need to do that to talk. Persistance hunting is still done today, but so is diving for shellfish and such.



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16 Nov 2014, 11:39 am

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We, after all, are the only primates who can hold our breath under water, while our ape cousins can only cross through water standing up.

This is not true.

http://www.sci-news.com/biology/science ... 01319.html



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16 Nov 2014, 11:41 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

One part of the theory explores the possibility or genes were manipulated by aliens and this is why we are so different from species around us and do not really fit in with the natural order of the planet which is based on Darwin's theory, pretty much, or law of the jungle. Our existence is more of a science based selection of genes rather than natural and it doesn't necessarily mean we will get the genes that will help us survive. We compensate through elaborate social structures that provide care and nurturing for those that would appear genetically inferior and unable to survive in Darwin's theory.

We're not the only species that helps the weak. This is an evolved adaptation that is common in many groups with social structures, such as meerkats and vampire bats.



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16 Nov 2014, 5:18 pm

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We, after all, are the only primates who can hold our breath under water, while our ape cousins can only cross through water standing up.

This is not true.

http://www.sci-news.com/biology/science ... 01319.html


I did not know that. Admittedly, I was recalling information from an older anthropology book.


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16 Nov 2014, 6:18 pm

The Fermi paradox is very interesting to read about, it offers many possible explanations.


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16 Nov 2014, 11:57 pm

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First off, I realize there isn't any evidence ET has visited Earth let alone colonized and we are descendants of such colonies. At the same time, I am acutely aware many events might have occurred throughout history that we know nothing about. Entire civilizations slip beneath the crust of awareness, way into the mantel where we cannot reach nor discern yet they were here just unbeknownst to us. So really. we do not know if ET has visited in the past.

The Ancient Alien Theory is possible for one reason and that is because of what is unfolding in the minds of astrophysicists and other related scientists right now in their quest for other planets and heavenly bodies that might contain life, comets, for example. in hopes of one day finding future homes for humans. If these people can contemplate and, perhaps, experience success moving humans to various locations around the galaxy, places they are not indigenous, why can't aliens do the same?

What fascinates me is the idea humans could move to another planet, experiencing success, existing for perhaps a million years and in that span, lose the knowledge they ever came from anywhere else so everyone existing there believes that is where they originated. Perhaps calamity and set backs robbed such once newcomers of the information regarding their origins? Such individuals, themselves, would become components of the Ancient Alien Theory.

It's interesting thinking about it. Can a species really keep track of itself for millions of years? That would be an extremely orderly species.


Erich Von Daniken has publicly admitted his own fraudulence, yet people still use his so called "archeological observations" to this day. People are normally less interested in the real explanations given in archeology and examination of modern witnesses. This isn't even fringe science. It is non-science. Fringe scientists and fringe academics in general still at least publish papers and submit their work to the peer review system. Even those with fringe opinions have their own critical outlet, where their peers examine their work to see if it meets necessary standards. It is how they weed out fraudulent claims like that of Von Daniken.

Specifically speaking about archeology, I can think of two main problems with this theory:

1. It underestimates the architectural accomplishments of ancient peoples. Many of their methods are well established now, which seems to be an inconvenient fact for ancient astronaut theorists.

2. The surreal imagery used in ancient art makes much more sense when examined from the emerging perspective (which is much more well documented) that ancient people used entheogenic/consciousness-expanding drugs in ritual and social settings to have spiritual experiences. There doesn't seem to be anything implausible about the imagery used when you look at it from this perspective.

http://www.pot.tv/video/2012/11/23/Cann ... -Carl-Ruck

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POT TV - Professor Carl Ruck, an expert in psychoactive plant use and the man who coined the term "entheogen", speaks at Cannabis Roots: The Hidden History of Marijuana in Vancouver.

Carl A.P. Ruck is Professor of Classics at Boston University, an authority on the ecstatic rituals of the god Dionysus. With the ethno-mycologist R. Gordon Wasson and the Swiss chemist Albert Hofmann, he identified the secret psychoactive ingredient in the visionary potion that was drunk by the initiates at the Eleusinian Mystery. In Persephone's Quest: Entheogens and the Origins of Religion, he proclaimed the centrality of psychoactive sacraments at the very beginnings of religion, employing the neologism "entheogen" to free the topic from the pejorative connotations for words like drug or hallucinogen.

He has tracked the role of entheogens as visionary agents for mystical religious revelation from the earliest emergence of human consciousness as documented in rock paintings of the Paleolithic Period, through the religions of ancient Persia and Mesopotamia, the Egyptian pharaohs, early Judaism, the Greco-Roman cults of Dionysus-Bacchus, Early Christianity, the Roman cults of Isis and Mithras, heretical Christian sects and the pre-Christian cults of pagan Europe. His exposé of the hidden message encoded in such medieval and Renaissance masterpieces as the painted ceiling of the Hildesheim Michaeliskirche, the Grünewald Isenheim Altarpiece, the van Eyck Ghent Altarpiece, and Titian's Bacchanal of the Andrians has demonstrated that an entheogenic Eucharist was reserved as a secret rite for the most elite of the ecclesiastical and political hierarchy, and practiced, moreover, as an alchemical sacrament in the most select of knightly brotherhoods and secret societies, such as the Knights Templar, the Order of the Golden Fleece, and Freemasonry. As theosophy, it was imported to the New World and embraced in such American religions as the Ephrata Cloister, the Shakers and Quakers, New England transcendentalism, the Mormonism of its founder Joseph Smith, and Scientology, all of which today strenuously condemn and deny the ecstatic nature of their earlier religious ceremonies.

He testified as an expert witness in 2010 at the Toronto trial in support of the Constitutional Challenge brought by the Church of the Universe against the prohibition denying them access to their cannabis Eucharist.

His work on the Eleusinian Mystery, as a well-ordered religious rite with positive social benefit, was also cited in defense of the right of the New Mexican branch of the Brazilian church União do Vegetal to have access to their psychoactive Eucharist (ayahuaca) under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA, US Congress, 1993), which was decided in their favor by the United States Supreme Court in 2006.


http://www.pot.tv/video/2012/11/22/Cann ... el-Aldrich
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POT TV - Marijuana expert Dr. Michael R. Aldrich speaks at the Cannabis Roots conference in Vancouver.

Read a summary of Dr. Michael R. Aldrich's lecture at the Cannabis Roots conference:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/ ... a-Dionysos

Michael R. Aldrich, Ph.D., is the author of the first doctoral dissertation on cannabis in the United States, Marijuana Myths and Folklore (1970); editor of the first pot 'zine, The Marijuana Review, 1968-1973; co-founder of Amorphia, The Cannabis Cooperative (1969-1973); organizer of California Marijuana Initiative (1972); curator of Fitz Hugh Ludlow Memorial Library (1974-2002) and the Aldrich Archives (1974-present); program coordinator, Institute for Community Health Outreach (California statewide AIDS outreach worker training program); executive director of CHAMP medical marijuana community center, San Francisco (2001-2002); and co-founder of the San Francisco Patient and Resource Center (SPARC), (2010-present). He and his wife Michelle have worked in the marijuana movement for more than 40 years together.


Notice how they have peer reviewed publications and they are active within the academic community? They understand that in order to convince mainstream academia (because they did things the right way this is becoming more and more mainstream) they need to meet up to important scholastic standards (like proper citation) and continue publishing their material in spite of dissent from others. Please pay attention to their detailed explanation of these images. It is much more rigorous than explanations given by ancient astronaut theorists. But I guess that is not interesting enough for the history channel. This is why I can no longer stand the history channel.

What's more: mainstream science for some time now has actually upheld the opinion that interstellar travel is implausible and they still don't understand how it could be possible without breaking the laws of physics, let alone how it could be possible for us to accomplish. It would take a very, very long time to get anywhere. So I don't see why it's so plausible that ET has visited earth. And why is ET so conveniently hard to find?


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