Why the Ancient Alien Theory could be possible.
Humans do not have much history.
There is a potential for more, but you have to wait.
Flood stories, over the last 30,000 years have been two waves of ice, the first lowered sea level 330 foot, the second 450 foot, then the ice melted. It was not slow and even, one summer the sea rose 60 foot. Where I live that would put me 55 foot under.
Also when the ice melted it did so from the top, forming lakes, several miles up, and when they broke loose, Lake Agazzi forming the scablands, as it flowed to the sea. This happened all over.
A second cause, God throws rocks. It seems on a 26,000 year cycle. when things like Barringer Crater in Arizona, another in India, but the odds are four out of five hit the ocean.
The last ice age seems to have ended after a strike in Mauitania, a crater equal to Barrigner, but there is a marine deposit all along the Atlantic Coast going way up into the mountains. It would take a wave several miles high to reach that far. We might find out, it has been 26,000 years.
People like the beach, and 450 foot down was the old beach. The most recent flood started 20,000 years ago. By 10,000 it had reached almost current levels. Durning this time is when the Egyptians told Salon that The Gods came from the west. 15,500 years ago. They were a skilled people. They brought writing, and some engraved stone tablets have been brought up in fishing nets.
So wait for the next ice age and go look.
A minor hundred foot wave would run right over Florida, and most of the east coast population is right along the beach. It can all be gone in an hour.
When Mount Thera blew up, the wave reached 600 foot along the shores of the eastern Med. It flooded the Nile Delta. 1543 BC.
Geologic Time does seem slow to short lived species, but it keeps on ticking.
It is also time for the New Madrid Quake, which is huge and regular. The last time from the Mississippi river it rang church bells in Washington and Boston.
The West Coast is just Doomed!
These Survivor Guilt stories about the good people being warned and told to build a Winnabago are just lies to tell the children, why you lived when millions died.
Blind luck has a lot more to do with it than Darwin.
Humans are also filthy, and Plague Farms waiting to happen. The Plague of Justinian killed a third of the people on earth.
H. G. Wells had it right, aliens would be killed by the common cold.
Have you noticed that big rocks lighting up the sky are becoming more common?
If humans were good record keepers, we would all know the exact dates of the ice ages, the lowering, the melting, the rising and the floods. We would know what the asteroids wiped out and what it was like before it hit. We would know if any ancient civilizations succumbed and the exact locations and dates. Humans have, thus far, been terrible record keepers what with unpredictable forces inside humanity destroying valuable information on whims such as capricious rulers and religious clergy. What is left are mostly predictions and calendars peppered with tales of gods and future apocalypse. Prophecy, basically.
Whether our current civilization manages to do better remains to be seen. One hit by a good enough sized asteroid, if any human survived, would set them back thousands of years and it could take quite some time to get back to where we are now, if it ever happened. Progress is not linear.
You know what would require you to be a good record keeper? Traveling across the galaxy from one inhabitable planet to the next. Btw, you still haven't said anything to contend with the fossil record. Saying "record keeping", "record keeping", "record keeping" has nothing to do with the fossil record.
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I notice you keep dodging my concerns which are centered around people keeping accurate enough records, and are believable and reliable enough observers, the fossil record results are either, somehow, included in the history or not needed for the history. Fossil records are more difficult than just simply reading something. The records people have kept up until just recently are sketchy at best and always treated as if they are not entirely true.
Troy, Sodom and Gommorah would be still considered mythical if it weren't for someone actually going and finding them.
So, extrapolating from that there must be loads of lost history.
See what Plato has to say about Solon's experiences with the Egyptian Priests
The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer does not prevent, mankind exist, sometimes in greater, sometimes in lesser numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed-if there were any actions noble or great or in any other way remarkable, they have all been written down by us of old, and are preserved in our temples. Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves.
You're arguing about the historicity of the Bible, but AAT isn't skeptical, at all. It accepts every last claim, from every single religion, no matter how trivial, yet shows no particular regard as to moral authority.
Without guessing about the motivations of it's adherents, I felt that 'cosmic humanism' was a baby step from Luciferianism, which teaches enlightened self interest as the means to empowerment.
I think that, hidden within AAT, is a victimhood narrative.
In the antediluvians, Sodomites, extinct races of the Old Testament, and End Times civilization, you see these utopias and golden eras -- ruined by some jealous, nepotist, vindictive force. Luciferians, Theosophists, and Judeo-Christians alike, know it as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
AAT is priming the public discourse for a kind of indictment.
For instance, where would mankind be, at this point, had the languages not been confused at Babel.
So, extrapolating from that there must be loads of lost history.
See what Plato has to say about Solon's experiences with the Egyptian Priests
The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer does not prevent, mankind exist, sometimes in greater, sometimes in lesser numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed-if there were any actions noble or great or in any other way remarkable, they have all been written down by us of old, and are preserved in our temples. Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves.
Interesting.
The Parthenon is 24 centuries old. But when it was newly built the Pyramids of Giza were already 24 centuries old.
To the Egyptians the Greeks were a bunch of feckless youths with no memory.
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I am going do dare to be really wrong. Because I can with the whole alien thingy. The idea is out there that everything in the universe is made of the same stuff. The elements of your invironment make you what you are. Remaining outside your natural elements either promotes change, or death. If there is aleins? Alien what? From where? Here is all that works because that is where you are. If you think there are aliens from other planets, or realms, the only way they could get here without dying, is in a very short amount of time, which probably is not going to happen in any kind of solid mechanical three dimentional vessel light speed space ship thingy, I don't think. The aliens would need to pre-exist in an environment the same as ours, or they would die. Unless quantum mechanics/physics come into play. The mind and conciensness being probably thousands of times faster than the speed of light, and two dimensional. Like a flat piece of paper. finding it, taking a view to it, and obtaining substance like putting on a suit.
It is far fetched, but so is everything else. Quantum physics pritty much proves that there really is no matter or substance unless you measure or view it. What you see and do is really just a bunch of empty space. It is made different because your you.
Can't wait to see what kind of waisted energy is going to get put into this weird, and strange statement.
As far as we can tell by examining what little we can observe beyond our own planet, it would take an organism with a sophisticated CNS before space travel would be even possible so we can assume that wherever such a creature evolved, it would be somewhat similar to earth as far as temperature and atmosphere. Face it, animals and bacteria have existed in the oceans for millions of years but, as far as we know, they never evolved into the type of creature that would explore space and even humans seem like a fluke on the earthscape so we can guess life similar to us is more rare than life similar to simple bacteria.
Then, the organism would need to replicate its space travel environment to that of it's mother world or simply evolve over millions of years, into what, I don't know, which really makes one wonder what they would evolve in to and are they here now, we just don't know it?
So yes it would be an extraordinary event, seeing these unfamiliar entities here on earth. Whether it has happened before, no one can know for certain. We also do not know if it will happen in the future or what our species will be like in a million years if it does indeed make it into space.
If you haven't already seen it the movie 'Interstellar' takes the approach that 'they' are us.
I won't say anything else to avoid being a spoiler for the movie plot.
But it is relative, most definitely relative to this discussion in more than one way..:)
And the movie also stays well within the guidelines of science, overall, as well.
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I'm not formally qualified to speak on the subject, but it's a speculative line of discussion, afterall.
Theoretical ways to circumvent the lightspeed paradox:
-- Quanta may exist in more than one place, simultaneously, so that pairing, distance, or curvature in the Ether give the appearance of a particle or wave. It may not be moving at an insurmountable speed.
-- Parallel dimensions of different frequency.
-- Inner Earth
The conventional sciences accuse religious people of positing a flying spaghetti monster, lying just beyond the reach of our physical senses, yet the materialists speak in terms of incomprehensible spaces and timespans, making it impossible to falsify their constructs.
For instance --
A long time ago, in galaxy far, far away... (Are your critical faculties disengaged yet? This reads like a hypnotic induction.)
But, what if the answer is close and knowable.
They are us but more advanced with bigger brains
http://hiddenincatours.com/elongated-sk ... eir-world/
The royals had the real big skulls but the normal people did head binding to try to resemble them.
Just saw Interstellar yesterday and WOW what an experience it was! For one thing, the movie is three hours long and I admit I almost fell asleep a couple times when the crew of scientists and pilot first left Earth and entered Endurance. The movie had a little bit of lag to it and it was long but the soundtrack was something else and it was really interesting in parts. Made me wonder how much of it is possible and what we can experience through other dimensions. Since no one knows what's inside a black hole, who knows what lies in other dimensions we somehow create without knowing?
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I read some theory that everything in a black hole is actually two dimensional. It is all stuck to the outside layer of it, like a picture. That is why everything in it is black. Some holographic thing. Like looking at a hologram. It looks 3d, but it's missing something, so it is only 2d.
Holographic universe stuff on utube too. Some of it is too far fetched I think though
Theory? What theory?
That isn't a theory? I wouldn't even give it the dignity of being termed a conjecture.
Maybe a hallucination. Certainly not a theory.
I really hate the way people who have no scientific understanding or background misuse the term "theory". A "theory" is not the same as "I thought up something bizarre and it could have happened". It isn't even close.
A "theory" requires overwhelming support from the evidence to be worthy of the term. It has to be far more likely to be substantially correct than to be wrong. It is not a synonym for "clueless imagination".
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Theory? What theory?
That isn't a theory? I wouldn't even give it the dignity of being termed a conjecture.
Maybe a hallucination. Certainly not a theory.
I really hate the way people who have no scientific understanding or background misuse the term "theory". A "theory" is not the same as "I thought up something bizarre and it could have happened". It isn't even close.
A "theory" requires overwhelming support from the evidence to be worthy of the term. It has to be far more likely to be substantially correct than to be wrong. It is not a synonym for "clueless imagination".
They won't let me edit my post. I was going to change the word theory for "somebody thought up something bazzare, that may be true." Just for you.
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