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18 Nov 2014, 2:18 pm

from the recent issue of the magazine, The New Yorker,by James Surowiecki:

"few days after the midterm elections, the Supreme Court announced that it would hear King v. Burwell, a challenge to the Affordable Care Act in which the plaintiffs are arguing that people who live in states which have not set up their own health-insurance exchanges?and who therefore find their insurance through the federal exchange, Healthcare.gov?are not eligible for tax credits that the law provides....At first glance, this might all sound good from a Republican perspective. After all, if Obamacare is an unacceptable imposition on individual freedom and an unworkable intrusion into health care, anything that makes it less effective would seem to be welcome. Yet the disappearance of subsidies is going to put governors and legislatures in states that haven?t established their own exchanges (nearly every red state) in a very difficult position. After all, their refusal?mostly politically motivated?to establish those exchanges will be the reason that their citizens lose subsidies, even as people in states like California and New York are reaping all the benefits of the law. The state legislatures will also, in effect, be responsible for insurance suddenly becoming far more expensive for millions of people. Finally, the politicians will also be putting a severe dent in the bottom line of insurance companies in their state, since the absence of subsidies guarantees that insurance companies are going to lose the customers they want (healthy people with low health-care costs) and get stuck with those they don?t (sick people whose health-care costs are sure to dwarf their premium payments)."



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21 Nov 2014, 4:15 pm

large swaths of the right simply don't want health care going to people who in their view are "useless eaters." in their view health care [even food and air and water and survival itself] is a privilege for "producers" only. ableism is a glorious thing for the social darwinists out there running our nation and culture, their guiding mercenary principal is that if one cannot make money for oneself and others, then one is useless and better off out of the way of those who do. it all revolves around money. as long as the majority of voters continue to sit on their keisters and let this happen, we will only get more of the same.



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21 Nov 2014, 5:09 pm

Er what? "Large swaths"? Any evidence, or are you just making stuff up as you write?



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21 Nov 2014, 5:13 pm

Magneto wrote:
Er what? "Large swaths"? Any evidence, or are you just making stuff up as you write?

for example that event with ron paul, where the question was raised, "do we permit the poor lacking affordable healthcare, to die? and the audience roared "YES!" that is emblematic of the whole scene.



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21 Nov 2014, 5:21 pm

On the other hand the democrats take 'compassion' too far and spend too much money.

Republicans do however spend trillions on pointless wars! SO neither party is any good in my opinion.

For those who can't work conservatives say we should be more charitable. THey prefer private giving to state sanctioned redistribution.



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21 Nov 2014, 5:25 pm

slenkar wrote:
On the other hand the democrats take 'compassion' too far and spend too much money.

Republicans do however spend trillions on pointless wars! SO neither party is any good in my opinion.

For those who can't work conservatives say we should be more charitable. THey prefer private giving to state sanctioned redistribution.

by and large, wealthy righties give mainly to other wealthy righties. historically, as noted by many including john Steinbeck, only the poor will help other poor. in modern-day America, charity money tends to stay within class. the [ayn] randians believe charity itself to be bad.
http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article ... give_more/



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21 Nov 2014, 5:34 pm

What is it with the left and their obsession with Ayn Rand... that would be like people on the right being obsessed with Marx.

Oh, yeah...



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21 Nov 2014, 5:36 pm

Magneto wrote:
What is it with the left and their obsession with Ayn Rand... that would be like people on the right being obsessed with Marx.

Oh, yeah...

it has everything to do with the American right's refusal to join the rest of the civilized western world and ensure that all American citizens have affordable access to decent primary health care [as opposed to financially ruinous tertiary care as per the pre-PPACA status-quo.