I hate religious people, why is that a problem?

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23 Sep 2008, 11:26 am

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There was a time when I claimed that I wanted to wipe Islam off the face of the Earth, and now I'm a Muslim. Go ahead and say whatever you want, you have every right to. Out of experience, my anti-religion stance in the past earned me no respect apart from a bunch of junkies.


I'd love to hear why you converted! Maybe you can tell here or via pm. :D


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23 Sep 2008, 6:52 pm

Well, atheist or not, if you hate religious people, you've still got to live with them, and you'll never turn all of them into committed atheists.

Tolerance is one of the guiding principles of liberal society (i.e., you have your beliefs, and I have mine, but we can still get along). Vocally expressing your hatred violates that.



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23 Sep 2008, 6:53 pm

It sure does.



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23 Sep 2008, 7:05 pm

I think you need Ghandi sir. Ghandi, without religion, was an example of tolerance, and virtue. His ways should be the ways of our society. And he was killed by an angry religious man...

what's the difference between religion haters and religious haters..?



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23 Sep 2008, 7:18 pm

I'm not sure but I've a feeling you're going to tell me.



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23 Sep 2008, 7:46 pm

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I think you need Ghandi sir. Ghandi, without religion, was an example of tolerance, and virtue. His ways should be the ways of our society. And he was killed by an angry religious man...

what's the difference between religion haters and religious haters..?

IIRC, Gandhi was quite religious.


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23 Sep 2008, 7:58 pm

Orwell wrote:
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I think you need Ghandi sir. Ghandi, without religion, was an example of tolerance, and virtue. His ways should be the ways of our society. And he was killed by an angry religious man...

what's the difference between religion haters and religious haters..?

IIRC, Gandhi was quite religious.


umm, no? He was tolerant of religions, and may have been religious at one point even.. But he was not devoted to any one religion.



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23 Sep 2008, 8:03 pm

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umm, no? He was tolerant of religions, and may have been religious at one point even.. But he was not devoted to any one religion.

Not to any one particular religion, no. But he was deeply spiritual.


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23 Sep 2008, 8:20 pm

Orwell wrote:
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umm, no? He was tolerant of religions, and may have been religious at one point even.. But he was not devoted to any one religion.

Not to any one particular religion, no. But he was deeply spiritual.


I thought he was a Hindu...



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23 Sep 2008, 8:28 pm

Orwell wrote:
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umm, no? He was tolerant of religions, and may have been religious at one point even.. But he was not devoted to any one religion.

Not to any one particular religion, no. But he was deeply spiritual.


He was Hindu, wasn't he? I saw the movie with Sir Ben Kingsley and it portrayed him as Hindu.



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23 Sep 2008, 8:53 pm

When asked whether he was a Hindu, Gandhi said "Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew."


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23 Sep 2008, 9:03 pm

That's interesting. How can one be a Christiana and a Jew? The basic premises of Christianity and Judaism contradict each other.



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23 Sep 2008, 9:06 pm

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That's interesting. How can one be a Christiana and a Jew? The basic premises of Christianity and Judaism contradict each other.

Moreso do the basic tenets of Christianity and Islam contradict each other. And any of the Abrahamic faiths has serious problems with Hinduism. I didn't say his theology was correct, but he did take somewhat of a universalist view to religion.


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23 Sep 2008, 9:20 pm

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When asked whether he was a Hindu, Gandhi said "Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew."


This statement makes much more sense from a common Eastern perspective on religion.

I have a Chinese friend who said he's "buying the Jesus insurance" and "buying the Buddha insurance" (something like Pascal's wager).

It sounded strange at first, but I really learned a lot about the Indic / Chinese attitude towards religion when he said that.


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23 Sep 2008, 9:49 pm

chever wrote:
Orwell wrote:
When asked whether he was a Hindu, Gandhi said "Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew."


This statement makes much more sense from a common Eastern perspective on religion.

I have a Chinese friend who said he's "buying the Jesus insurance" and "buying the Buddha insurance" (something like Pascal's wager).

It sounded strange at first, but I really learned a lot about the Indic / Chinese attitude towards religion when he said that.

Yes, but having the Buddhist insurance invalidates the Jesus insurance policy.


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23 Sep 2008, 9:51 pm

I think you completely misunderstood Ghandi then... he was practicing tolerance of religion, and at the same time testing the tolerance of others.. He wanted you to see it for what it really was, and what it should be.


Orwell, I'm spiritual too, and I'm not religious.