NOT GOOD, Connecticut shooter was diagnosed with Aspergers..

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15 Dec 2012, 12:40 am

It is safe to say people with Aspergers have more to fear from NT's than NTs have to fear from people with Aspergers.

I have never randomly hit someone for being NT, but I have been hit by a large number of NT's for being weird.


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15 Dec 2012, 12:42 am

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Damn it, why does every shooter have to have it? :evil:

the internet and social media may have some part to play
talking about it like this
is how copycat crimes are seeded



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15 Dec 2012, 12:43 am

I don't understand at all how someone can intentionally be violent and I've been bullied many times. If I get upset I run away and only use what's required to get away if someone gets in my way.



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15 Dec 2012, 12:46 am

anyone can be pushed to kill but i think the connection between school shootings and asperger's if there even is one is that Aspies tend to not only be easy open targets of bullying but also don't usually fight back in turn allowing for them to be bullied not only more in terms of ammount but also in terms of severity and this if anything i feel would be the factor to consider not just them being emotionless aspies which i sure as hell have emotions and even empathy!

also here is a short dislaimer i wrote on my FB page after hearing this

for the record let me state that what i did at school when i was 17 was not intended to cause anyone anything more than a slight scare after having to deal with being treated like s**t on a daily basis for 11 years of my life. i do not advocate harming other people let alone killing and the only weapons i posses are words art and and music also i am diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome but now they'
re saying this shooter and i believe they said James holmes was also diagnosed with AS and the point im getting nervous to go outside because of a mix of certain people judging me for something i did over a decade ago when i was still a stupid young kid that i am nothing even remotely like in my adult life nor since. ive not been in trouble, ive not hurt anyone and if anything i go out of my way to help out people when i can 99% of the time even when i have nothing to gain from it and mix that with having the AS diagnosis that i do along with these monsters commiting atrocious acts and can you blame me now for being just a little paranoid?
As it stands i live by a very strict albeit simple code
1:do not harm yourself or others
2:help out when and however you can but dont expect payment
3:understand it takes all walks of life to make the world go round and remain open to understanding
4:do what you can to make this world better for those just starting out as well as your fellow man
5:do not lie cheat or steal
6:show respect to those who deserve it and do not disrespect those you do not know
7:learn to love and live it
8:try not to vent more than you have to and pass on negativity through such actions
9:Question,Understand,Adapt
and 10: do your best to give others the benefit of the doubt

with that all being ranted out and said anyone who knows me knows im not a violent person, i don't really hold a grudge, and even tho i can be a bit bitchy or whiny im generally known to have a positive personality so please don't judge me on the actions of monsters or a past which i have done my best to grow up from.

Thank you

a brief backstory
back in school from 1st grade until 11th when i had my incident i was beaten and bullied on a daily basis physically and psychologically even not during school hours i would have groups of local neighborhood kids riding their bikes in circles outside my house threatening to beat me amongst other things daily for hours upon hours and finally after turning to drugs namely valium and xanax i snapped one night shaved my eyebrows dyed my hair black and while still high came up with the idea to fill a test tube with water bring it to school and tell some people it was chlorine gas i was going to put in the vents just to cause a scare as it was tested by the police, it was only water and i had no other weapons/chemicals ect on me i just wanted to the school to have a wakeup call and in hindsight it was not a well thought out way of doing that i've known for a long time now and would never do such a thing again let alone something worse! im rather relaxed and content in life at age 30 and have no real issues with anyone and get along with pretty much everyone i meet but i ended going to a boys boarding school for 5 months following a month in a psychatiric childrens hospital for evaluation. but that turned out to be a great experiencing i grew and learned alot from and had it not happened i may have gotten into worse trouble with age but thankfully since that incident i havent had any legal problems aside from 3 or 4 traffic violations and 1 time lowest level misdemeanor one can get for having a marijuana pipe in my pocket on my way to go for a hike last year and i rarely if ever even smoke but figured it would be a nice day but oops heh. ok regardless i think i made my point and sorry for the rant style but as you all know it happens with some of us :-)



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15 Dec 2012, 12:46 am

If some of these spree killers are autistic, then we have to think about what they did and how they thought in the context of autism, which is a fundamental part of who they are.



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15 Dec 2012, 12:49 am

Unfortunately, there's quite a few tweets on Twitter about people's reactions to the shooter potentially having Asperger's...seems to be several every minute. Some are pretty hurtful but there's also a big number of tweets coming from people who know that Aspies are generally very kind-hearted. As long as it doesn't reach trending topic status, I think it'll be all right.


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15 Dec 2012, 12:49 am

People need someone or something to blame and they are too lazy to find a real solution. No one knows why that kid killed his family and those children. No one will ever know. Anyone who pretends to know is ignorant. This kid might not have not even been autistic. All people are different and Autism/Asperger's is just a word to lump people with social skills problems into one great big group. It's discriminatory when it comes right down to it. Think of this discrimination along the same lines as racism. Don't fall for any of this. And know you don't have to conform to their stereotype of you. First off, you don't need to tell your employers or coworkers or fellow students that you have autism, it's really none of their business. Everyone struggles with something: Self-esteem issues, obesity, race, gender, sperm counts, religion, beliefs, marriage, career, family. Being nerdy shouldn't be an issue. Before we had mental disorders, people didn't go around grouping nerds with serial killers. If anyone asks, you tell them "I'm not autistic, I'm a nerd!"



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15 Dec 2012, 12:51 am

My response to this. With a link to my response to the same stuff being said about the Aurora killer. http://paulacdurbinwestbyautisticblog.b ... ieves.html



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15 Dec 2012, 12:58 am

I would hate if there was backlash. That's what I think when I think about how ignorant and scared people react. I remember watching Caprica and watching people get abusive to the parents of this girl who had died after setting off a bomb on a train, and thinking 'are people really like that?' At the time I thought BSG was just being over emotional but sometimes I think people are really like that.
Being half-Indian I copped a bit of that after 9/11 and a year back there was violence against Indian students.

I just hope there's some balance in the media between calling us all unempathetic and actually saying that we're most unlikely to do it. Even if the killer does have AS it doesn't mean we'll all do that. Even though I'm in Australia I'm scared for my little nephews and nieces.

And I understand that you can be bullied and rejected so severely to turn to something like this. When I explained this to my non-AS friend she said 'yeah, but you don't think about killing people, do you?'
I kind of went quiet. I think as a part of my PTSD I do have such thoughts. But it's more me defending myself.


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15 Dec 2012, 1:02 am

Autistic people commit crimes at far lower rates than the general population. That includes Aspergers. Most of us have less desire for human companionship, so being shut out doesn't hurt as much as it does NT's. in a similar position. NT's also tend to direct their anger outwards while we tend to direct it inwards.

The problem is our country has a awful mix of bullying, inequality, and guns. Until we destroy all the guns, take inequality seriously, and start punishing bullying as a criminal misdemeanor, then we will have shootings. Bullying and being shut out of society causes people (NT's too) to lose their mind, and guns are too easy to get.

The autism rate in South Korea is twice what it is in the U.S., and I've never heard of a school shooting there.



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15 Dec 2012, 1:14 am

8O

If this keeps up we are really going to have to try that community of Aspies thing. If it gets to the point that our saftey is not guarnteed. I am worried too.



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15 Dec 2012, 1:18 am

windtreeman wrote:
Unfortunately, there's quite a few tweets on Twitter about people's reactions to the shooter potentially having Asperger's...seems to be several every minute. Some are pretty hurtful but there's also a big number of tweets coming from people who know that Aspies are generally very kind-hearted. As long as it doesn't reach trending topic status, I think it'll be all right.


Hopefully not, unless the news organizations start taking off with it. Go over to Fox News' facebook page. They are all blaming liberals, Atheists, and Obama. Kinda off topic, but I responded to your post because I'm listening to your album covers, these are really good.



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15 Dec 2012, 1:19 am

Verdandi wrote:
Landover Baptist is satire.

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What is this calling a person Satire?



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15 Dec 2012, 1:20 am

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This is no excuse. This person knew right from wrong. He knew what he was doing when he went in there and shot the children and the adults. It was an act of pure evil, plain and simple.
This is the key. We all have our issues, our weaknesses, our temptations. Money, power, sex, drugs, anger, whatever. A personal demon, tempting us to do the wrong thing. We get by not by purity of mind and heart -- an impossibility! -- but by not allowing evil thoughts to spill over into evil deeds. Civilization exists because we curb our nasty impulses.



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15 Dec 2012, 1:28 am

PseudointellectualHorse wrote:
noxnocturne wrote:
This is no excuse. This person knew right from wrong. He knew what he was doing when he went in there and shot the children and the adults. It was an act of pure evil, plain and simple.
This is the key. We all have our issues, our weaknesses, our temptations. Money, power, sex, drugs, anger, whatever. A personal demon, tempting us to do the wrong thing. We get by not by purity of mind and heart -- an impossibility! -- but by not allowing evil thoughts to spill over into evil deeds. Civilization exists because we curb our nasty impulses.


This is true. We've all been bullied and rejected here but we're not about to go on a mass killing rampage. I would only ever defend myself when the situation called for it, and only to those who wish me harm. I would turn myself over to the cops before I ever hurt a child, or even an innocent bystander.

This attack was planned. It seemed to be directed at one person. Those poor kids, and the adults that died too.


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15 Dec 2012, 1:28 am

DeathbyMonkeys wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Landover Baptist is satire.

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What is this calling a person Satire?


Landover Baptist is an organization. They wrote a blog calling people with Asperger's evil. Someone labeled them as being satire or satirical. Not sure if their blog was satire or if they were just being radical and crazy.