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Why is there always someone who has to comment some variant of the "IQ doesn't mean that much" in EVERY discussion that involves IQ? I'm tired of it. It's like every other person is insecure or suspicious or something about how IQ will be interpreted and project that onto every discussion involving IQ.

I ask you, what is the relevance of the correlation (or lack thereof) between IQ and success? What does that have to do with this thread? Besides that, different people have different standards of success, so how are we to interpret this statement? IQ lacks a strong correlation with slave's idea of success?

Did I say this definition of success was right? NO

High IQ does NOT guarantee marital,educational, sexual, social, business, or financial success.

One would expect that a genius would do well in education...some don't.

Having a high IQ is having a high POTENTIAL....it is a wonderful trait.

I did not do that.

I am not minimizing the value of a high IQ.

IQ means a LOT...it just isn't a guarantee

TL;DR: Your comment about IQ and success still seems to be an irrelevant, oft-parroted platitude. It seems we view IQ differently and that has perhaps led to a misunderstanding.


Nor did I suggest that you did.


I ask again: what does that have to do with this thread?


Well, there's the disconnect. Do you expect people reading or participating in this thread to assume that? Was that the purpose of the comment about IQ and success? I wouldn't expect that (for education or any of the other domains of potential success you listed), nor would I assume that other people would expect that, especially since the comment you made has been repeated so many times. It's actually rather obvious that the skills tested on an IQ exam are at best a subset of the skills needed to succeed at such things.

Even if I did expect that, I don't see what it has to do with anything in this thread. The OP says that I want to join a high iq society to satisfy my curiosity about the discussion and social interaction. The members of such a society needn't have succeeded at much of anything to provide that.

Wait...there is a brief comment about underachieving Mensans in the thread.


...and?



I consider the statement that IQ doesn't correlate strongly with things that you assume people will believe (or know people to have believed) it to correlate strongly with to be a variant of "IQ doesn't mean that much." I won't claim any great precision for that characterization; my point was that I've noticed a pattern, and you appear to be a part of it.


Ok. I don't consider myself to have accused you of "minimizing" the value of IQ, so I don't know why you have made this statement. I'm not even sure what it means to minimize the value of IQ because the value placed on IQ is individually, subjectively determined, and therefore not something that one can minimize at will.


We are apparently on different pages from totally different books. I consider the meaning of IQ to be far from certain or concrete and the value of it to be almost entirely subjective (meaning a lot to some, and little or nothing to others), so unqualified statements about how much IQ means (beyond concrete, non-interpretive statements concerning the tasks on which the score is based and the methods of test performance evaluation) are all but meaningless to me.

Dare I suggest, the misunderstanding lies in that you are talking about IQ as if it has objective or, at least, nearly universally agreed-upon, meaning or value; since I don't believe that anything has objective meaning or value, least of all abstract concepts such as IQ, and for the most part do not view others' valuation of IQ as something that needs to be influenced, particularly in a context (such as this thread) in which no one has expressed much interpretation or valuation of IQ one way or another, your point about the correlation of IQ success and your expansions upon that point, taken at face value, seem useless and misplaced to me.

"People who boast about their IQ are losers."
-Stephen Hawking

I quit mensa because of the snobbish elitist attitude the local members had. They used their score as a measure of superiority and when someone comes along who scored higher than then (like me), you expect that if they use IQ as a measure of superiority that you would get respect. On the contrary: You are met with jealousy. That local group was a bunch of narcissistic snobs who don't contribute to society and cannot prove their intelligence through practical means.

I've been reading your posts for some time and I think we suffer from the same kind of earthquake. The magnitude may differ, 6.5 for me, 8 for you, but in both cases we see destruction. "I can solve this, then everybody can". "I can't solve this then I'm stupid".

I'm not particularly social though