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05 Jan 2010, 3:17 am

In one of my classes, there is a lady who seriously gets on my nerves. I am in a web design program at the community college, and she is such an idiot. She cannot understand basic computer topics, such as how to save files to different locations, asks the prof to go over the same topic 10 times, and in my mind drags the entire level of the class down. I tolerated her last quarter in both HTML and a Dreamweaver class. She didn't show up to the graphics for the web class and I celebrated. However, she showed up in JavaScript.

JavaScript is more programing based, meaning you have to use logic and reasoning. I feel she has no business being in that class. Programing is my obsession. I will tollerate her in the graphics side class, but programing based, I am really mad she is slowing down the class. My plan for this quarter is if she starts to ask stupid questions over and over again, to start asking high level advanced questions. Shut her down and annoy her, forcing her to be lost in a class she DOESN'T BELONG IN.

I know this won't get me in trouble with the prof, as he loves code as well, and gets very excited when I ask advanced level questions.

Is my plan obnoxious? Should I just shut up and ignore her?



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05 Jan 2010, 3:21 am

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In one of my classes, there is a lady who seriously gets on my nerves. I am in a web design program at the community college, and she is such an idiot. She cannot understand basic computer topics, such as how to save files to different locations, asks the prof to go over the same topic 10 times, and in my mind drags the entire level of the class down. I tolerated her last quarter in both HTML and a Dreamweaver class. She didn't show up to the graphics for the web class and I celebrated. However, she showed up in JavaScript.

JavaScript is more programing based, meaning you have to use logic and reasoning. I feel she has no business being in that class. Programing is my obsession. I will tollerate her in the graphics side class, but programing based, I am really mad she is slowing down the class. My plan for this quarter is if she starts to ask stupid questions over and over again, to start asking high level advanced questions. Shut her down and annoy her, forcing her to be lost in a class she DOESN'T BELONG IN.

I know this won't get me in trouble with the prof, as he loves code as well, and gets very excited when I ask advanced level questions.

Is my plan obnoxious? Should I just shut up and ignore her?


No.Not at all.This reminds me of a few classmates in my paralegal classes.They ask the dumbest questions.


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05 Jan 2010, 3:33 am

Do you ever think why someone asks stupid questions? So what if they can't get it through their head? I've never been very good at remembering things. I would think someone with AS would understand why someone was a bit slow in class. Bad short term memory? Inability to stay focused in class? Information just not registering?
Maybe recommend that she gets extra tutoring instead of acting like an immature jerk to her?
Those above 30 may find it hard to work a computer because it's something they are new to.
And who are you to decide what class a person should be in?


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05 Jan 2010, 3:44 am

If it is something like "How do you initialise arrays again?" then sure, new to programming you can forget those things. Jumping from language to language things are different too.

However for questions like "why did it say 5 / 2 = 2 when it should be 2.5?" when someone should have learnt the different data types long ago, I can imagine that would be aggravating.

Go for it, you are there to learn. However only ask if you seriously want to know and you can tie it in as relevant to what you are doing. It is obnoxious when you ask pointedly and for the only reason to sound advanced.



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05 Jan 2010, 4:07 am

Many of the questions I hear is, how do you calculate GST when doing a manual statement of account instead of ESILaw? (GST is 5 percent of the price of the item-Government Sales Tax).It is calculated by multiplying by the reciprocal.This is something that is learned in grade 7 and usually mastered by grade 9 at the latest.If they can't do this math, what are they going to do if ESILaw malfunctions and they have to do statement of accounts by doing manual calculations?


The college instructors do not include GST calculations in the lessons because they themselves assume that everyone in the class knows it and should know it BEFORE they even get into the program.


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05 Jan 2010, 4:18 am

I had this problem in Bio Chen and Anatomy and Physiology. The lecturer had a great technique but you had to listen all the way to the end, when all the various intricate bits would suddenly be pulled into a cohesive system. There was a perosn who rather than listen to the whole explanation would keep on interjecting and by doing so would screw up the flow of the lecture. In the end I interjected her interjection and told her to just shut up, listen to the information and ask questions after the lecturer had finished. I got quite a few disaproving looks and a few mumbled comments, but it did the trick.

I hasten to add that this was before I found out that I had aspergers and was therefore in a time when I still thought that what I said and did was socially acceptable :wink:

If this situation arose now, I would take the person aside and talk to them about things, maybe even try and help. If that approached failed I would then resort to telling them to shut up at the next unnecessary interjection :lol:

So in your case I would offer help. We are not all as capable as each other. She might really appreciate your offer and you will benefit by cementing your knowledge by teaching it to someone else.


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05 Jan 2010, 6:29 am

She's not your problem - your problem is the people who decided who to allow on the course. Teaching a whole pack of students only works well if they're all at a similar level in their understanding of the subject, but unfortunately these days students are accepted on the basis of their ability to pay fees rather than their ability at the subject. So the high-flyers will be held back and the low-flyers will feel like complete idiots. The planners are ripping you all off, and they're probably taking home nice, fat salaries.

The only time I've heard of mixed-ability classes working is when the teacher gets the high-flyers to teach the low-flyers....on the other hand, if they don't pay you for doing so, why the hell should you bother? It's great for the teachers of course, as they get half their job done for them.



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05 Jan 2010, 7:13 am

lol.. if I were in the class, I would be secretly applauding your sabotage. It is a little mean, and maybe it would be better to talk to someone in charge about talking to HER, in which case maybe they could get her to realize she's in the wrong classes.. but that would be more complicated and less fun.

(...part of me never left middle school..)


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05 Jan 2010, 7:20 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
She's not your problem - your problem is the people who decided who to allow on the course.


Correct. I would be complaining there, not in the classroom. Or as others have suggested, offer to help your fellow student along on the side.


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05 Jan 2010, 9:36 am

Take advantage of the niche in the market, earn extra money as you've obviously just discovered someone severely in need of a tutor. :wink:



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05 Jan 2010, 10:22 am

You are looking for justification to be a passive-aggressive bully. If you haven't yet crossed that line and done this in class then make the right moral choice and don't.



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05 Jan 2010, 9:24 pm

tttnjfttt wrote:
In one of my classes, there is a lady who seriously gets on my nerves. I am in a web design program at the community college, and she is such an idiot. She cannot understand basic computer topics, such as how to save files to different locations, asks the prof to go over the same topic 10 times, and in my mind drags the entire level of the class down. I tolerated her last quarter in both HTML and a Dreamweaver class. She didn't show up to the graphics for the web class and I celebrated. However, she showed up in JavaScript.

JavaScript is more programing based, meaning you have to use logic and reasoning. I feel she has no business being in that class. Programing is my obsession. I will tollerate her in the graphics side class, but programing based, I am really mad she is slowing down the class. My plan for this quarter is if she starts to ask stupid questions over and over again, to start asking high level advanced questions. Shut her down and annoy her, forcing her to be lost in a class she DOESN'T BELONG IN.

I know this won't get me in trouble with the prof, as he loves code as well, and gets very excited when I ask advanced level questions.

Is my plan obnoxious? Should I just shut up and ignore her?


Are you sure you're really an aspie, and not just some nerdy NT jerk who likes to belittle people whom aren't as smart as he/she is? To me, you sound like a nerdy NT who likes to bully people, which if is so, it's punks liek you who prevent us aspies from attaining high-paying jobs and being able to live comfortably. I myself struggle with memorization, and if you displayed this sort of attitude toward me, I'd be ready to put hot sauce in your mouth. How 'bout you help this poor lady succeed instead of passively bullying her? Now change your attitude, and either help her, or mind your own business!



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05 Jan 2010, 9:38 pm

Janissy wrote:
You are looking for justification to be a passive-aggressive bully. If you haven't yet crossed that line and done this in class then make the right moral choice and don't.


This.



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05 Jan 2010, 9:47 pm

Janissy wrote:
You are looking for justification to be a passive-aggressive bully. If you haven't yet crossed that line and done this in class then make the right moral choice and don't.


I agree. Why would you want to make someone feel stupid just because she annoys you or disrupts the flow of the lecture? That's a grade A douche move.

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She's not your problem - your problem is the people who decided who to allow on the course.


Correct. I would be complaining there, not in the classroom. Or as others have suggested, offer to help your fellow student along on the side.


You would probably get much more out of discussing your concerns with your professor. Perhaps he can suggest that she come to him after class or get tutoring.



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05 Jan 2010, 9:56 pm

Yes, please speak with your professor one on one, if you are that concerned. You know, she could be doing fine and just needs to ask a lot of questions to do fine. Maybe she does need extra help and tutoring could get her where she needs to be. Perhaps retaking more basic classes would be the way for her to go. Who knows... not you and not me... but what she does not need is you making her feel horrible in front of your entire class.


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06 Jan 2010, 1:34 am

SirLogiC wrote:
If it is something like "How do you initialize arrays again?" then sure, new to programming you can forget those things. Jumping from language to language things are different too.

However for questions like "why did it say 5 / 2 = 2 when it should be 2.5?" when someone should have learned the different data types long ago, I can imagine that would be aggravating.

Go for it, you are there to learn. However only ask if you seriously want to know and you can tie it in as relevant to what you are doing. It is obnoxious when you ask pointedly and for the only reason to sound advanced.

I wish her questions were advanced as data types. Last night it was how to save to her flash drive (this is second quarter, my third class with her). I honestly don't mind helping most my class mates. I had one person tell me, much to my surprise that she loves when I sit near her because I explain things well (I had no clue this person even liked me) I do try to not be arrogant.

If I do ask a lot of questions, I can easily ask relevant questions, look at the syllabus and ask a question that will tie into the next topic that the prof plans to cover.

Last quarter I mentioned my frustrations to the prof and I think he also is frustrated. He told me to ask any questions I have.

My biggest fear is that I won't learn enough, and I hope to get into this field professionally.



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