Autism = trained for different things?

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31 Dec 2010, 9:38 am

Hello,

i always wondered why people are talking so many nonimportant things, and therefore i thought i was smarter than most.

BUT: this changed now a little, maybe I just focused too much on the direct information they exchanged, and ignored the nonverbal behavior such that i didn't get the meaning. Therefore, what they were talking about was not as stupid as i thought, i just didn't get it, because i ignored the nonverbal stuff.

Maybe just learning the nonverbal body language good enough, and then i will also get the meaning and thus will have the same competence as the NTs too.

please tellme your opinions to this.
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31 Dec 2010, 9:58 am

For the most part, the message IS contained in the monotonous part of the spoken word. The conveyance of ideas via telepathy is a MYTH! Telepathy used to be a special interest of mine and, while I did kind of prove it to myself, I ALSO proved that it is generally unreliable. I even saw some famous psychics that didn't seem to have any better success. HECK, even when it DOES work, it is usually open to interpretation.

It is almost like on the last episode of wizards of waverly place where the kids ask a futchicken who the family wizard will be. Alex said it was "to see if the studying is doing any good". That is really silly because maybe the one that is lazy, etc... decides to finally study a LOT! Maybe it says that max won because, seeing that max won, alex will decide to stop studying.

On TV today, you see several examples where they want you to believe people are conversing telepathically. If it DOES happen it is USUALLY through mere assumption based on circumstance, or prearrangement.

On star trek the next generation, for example, the captain managed to get out of a trap that he was in for some time, due to some aliens. When he got back to his ship, he exposed the aliens, who were disguised as crew members. He looked at a few crew members, and at panels, at a time that they were talking about his incarceration. The members all basically enabled the system. When picard gave the signal, it was switched on, trapping the aliens, so they could experience incarceration. Picard even mentioned "And with a WELL TRAINED crew". Still, there were few options, he didn't want the aliens hurt, and how many options would require THAT team?

And people may change the tone of what they say, or embelish HEAVILY to convey that they mean the OPPOSITE. They may look at one another with a smirk to say it is funny or stupid or a mistake or maybe they already did something that they are being asked to do.



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31 Dec 2010, 10:03 am

^^^^^
Hey, i think its pretty sure that body language is not telepathy. Body language does exist and is a communication tool. And as i explained, i just got the impression that autistic people just didn't learn (out of different reasons) not that language good enough, and misundestand also a lot of things.



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31 Dec 2010, 10:22 am

antonblock wrote:
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Hey, i think its pretty sure that body language is not telepathy. Body language does exist and is a communication tool. And as i explained, i just got the impression that autistic people just didn't learn (out of different reasons) not that language good enough, and misundestand also a lot of things.


OH, I wasn't saying that body language was telepathy. But what picard did seemed like more than body language, etc... And in series where they have sibblings looking at one another and maybe motioning together with others being oblivious, though you hear the siblings talking without moving their lips, it is clear they want you to think they are usingg telepathy.

And YEAH, a lot of people here have problems with inflection, cadence, embellishment, eye and mouth movement, etc...

I was just saying that if you hear something stupid, and it wasn't arcastic, etc... it was probably just stupid. ALSO, maybe they KNEW you could hear, and changed the subject.

As for telepathy and body language, SOME "psychics" DO say something that has a high likelihood of being close, and refine it based on reactions they see in the person.



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31 Dec 2010, 11:12 am

antonblock wrote:
i always wondered why people are talking so many nonimportant things, and therefore i thought i was smarter than most.
BUT: this changed now a little, maybe I just focused too much on the direct information they exchanged, and ignored the nonverbal behavior such that i didn't get the meaning. Therefore, what they were talking about was not as stupid as i thought, i just didn't get it, because i ignored the nonverbal stuff.


Yes, absolutely. Moderate hearing loss is my favorite analogy: "For years I wondered why everyone liked such terrible music. Completely repetitive; just boomp-boomp-boomp, for hours on end. Might as well listen to a sewage pump! Then I discovered I had high-frequency hearing loss and realized everyone else was hearing melodies that were inaudible to me. There was a whole world of sound out there I'd never suspected. It hasn't changed my feelings about music, but at least I get, intellectually, why people listen to it."

Good luck, AntonBlock.

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01 Jan 2011, 8:23 pm

thank you very much for your feedback :-)

good luck rf



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01 Jan 2011, 8:26 pm

I learned body language but could still not pick it up when I would attempt to socialise. Too much going on around me. Then I just forgot it.
Even when I knew body language I could not communicate any better. I'd be far too focused on body language to even talk.


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