would you abort if you knew baby will be profoundly ret*d

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no i would not. because i no a lot of people think i should of been aborted

No, because everybody deserves a chance at life.

Absolutely not! A sick child needs parents to care for her NOT kill her. If they are unable, adoptive parents are lining up to provide love and support. We live is a sick society that thinks killing people is sound medicine.

No. The severely ret*d are people too, as deserving of a chance at life as anybody else.

Besides, eugenics is a dangerous path for a society to go down.

There's no option for those of us who only have an indirect role in the decision.

I am unlikely to be ever placed in this position, but I would like to believe that I would support the decision taken by the woman who would be the direct decision maker, regardless of which decision she made.

We always have.

It's just that words like killing and executing and changed to "abortion", or "euthanasia", or "pulling the plug".

As the hypothetical father, I don't think it would really be up to me if I were in this situation...but I can understand both sides (not that I'm saying I specifically agree with either).

Yeah, abortions really aren't very nice, but I can see why people would consider going down that route...either for their own selfish reasons (or if their own life would be at risk in continuing with the pregnancy) or out of some kind of "mercy", so the child wouldn't have what they would think of as a "bad" life (again, not the way I feel...I'm just thinking of the possibility).

But it'd still be taking a life. And there are a lot of people who would love a child, but are unable to...I'm sure many of them would welcome a child into their life through adoption, no matter how handicapped they may be.

It depends.

Was the child wanted in the first place? If no, abort.

Would I be able to care for this kid? If no, abort.

no way

A profound decision topic

I do not think anyone knows for certain how challenged a child will be.

I refused amniocentesis with my last two (I was over the age of 35) because I made a decision to not risk a miscarriage by undergoing the procedure. I preferred not to know if the child I was carrying would be challenged. As it happened my two youngest are very healthy, no problems. But if there had been I would have done what I could to help them as much as possible.

But I would not judge other women who had the opposite view. This is a personal decision, based on a person's resources, and other factors.

No I wouldn't. At one point my only close friend had that diagnosis. And I've known many others. They deserve just as much chance to exist as anyone else.

On the other hand I would probably have to abort for medical reasons no matter who it was (if I'm not sterile). But I would never abort on the basis of disability.

I am somewhat functional and I hate life because of my dealings with normal people, I could only imagine what it would be for someone profoundly retarted in the NT's world. How many humilations and assaults on its humanity would this child have to endure throughout his/her existance among the so-called normal people.

If there were also going to be medical conditions that would severely limit life expectancy and quality of life, I would abort. I would also abort if I didn't think that I could take care of the baby. Adopting the baby out wouldn't be an option I'd consider because a baby who's severely disabled is really hard to find a home for. I wouldn't want the child growing up feeling like no one wants him/her.

If I was a pregnant woman.... I would abort period.


Though I wouldn't stop anyone from procreating if I had the power
to do so....I personally would NEVER bring another human into this veil
of tears.

Nonexistence is preferable to all this suffering and injustice
IMO. It is profoundly sad because there is much beauty in
life and the world. But generally speaking, the human species
is just tragically flawed and I don't see how it's getting any
better.


Sure alot of people have a grand ole' life and they're happy.

But billions have endured unspeakable suffering and misery. And considering
the world's population is projected to be between 9-12 billion by 2050, i'm
quite sure billions more will know the torments of hell. How many of those
people are REALLY going to have a decent quality of life with clean water,
ample amounts of food, good healthcare, etc.....???? Where's all the resources
coming from since we don't seem to have enough to go around now with
*only* 6.5 billion? Are we going to sh** or get off the pot already when it
comes to alternative energy? The recent spill in the gulf really ought to have
said something final about carbon-based energy sources, but apparently, it
hasn't since 52% of Americans STILL support offshore drilling.


Thus....I look at procreation as something akin to playing russian roulette
with the life of another.

I wish my mother would've aborted me.



I'm sure many of you will view my opinions here as ghoulish,"pessimistic", insane,
stupid, misanthropic, etc.....

They are misanthropic.... i'll grant you that.


I'm afraid I can't apologize for them though...I believe the human species is
a thing that should not be.

What will it take for the bulk of humankind to believe in the inexpressible horror
of it's own existence?


Must all the rainforests and coral reefs of the world disappear before we do?

We are well on the way to that now. It is projected that most of primary
rainforest in southeast Asia will be gone in ten years. The neotropics and
central/west Africa won't be far behind.


How many more genocides and holocausts will it take?


What happened to "never again"???

What do we keep saying to all those who've known little but misery through
no fault of their own? And i'm not just talking about the 3 billion or so who live
off two dollars a day or less.

"Oh well that's the breaks buddy"?

"I got to become a doctor with a nice house in the Boston suburbs and
exotic trips every year and you get to pick through a landfill for a few
maggot-ridden potatoes"?

How many humiliations and assaults upon their humanity have NT's endured?

It wasn't like most of the 11 million who were tortured and murdered by the nazis
were non-neurotypical.



I know what you're saying....but I don't draw any distinctions personally.


The human species should just stop procreating IMO.....there may be something wrong
with "mercy killing", but I see nothing wrong with mercy extinction.

NT's can defend themselves knowing they are being insulted or toyed with and could defend themselves or just simply walk away from the situation. A profoundly ret*d person would stand there taking the abuse.