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Matt62
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27 Mar 2012, 1:07 pm

I really do not discuss it with any but my close friends, and you folk here, so I avoid that reaction. After all, in 50 years, I have had a lot of "acting" practice at being NT.
And it was not recognized in the USA until 1994. So some people think it is just a trend. Plus, unfortunately perhaps, even specialists do not always agree on what it EXACTLY is. Other than a person being on the Autistic spectrum.

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23 Jun 2012, 12:44 pm

mushroo wrote:
This might be harder for some of the younger forum members to relate to, but when I was a little kid, the concept of neurodiversity was not mainstream. AS/ADHD/etc. did not "exist." You were basically either "normal" or "ret*d." We've come a long way... (and I'm not even that old!)


THIS! When I was a kid, we were either "gay," "ret*d," "a geek," "a nerd," etc. My parents took me to doctors often, especially when I was a teen. This was circa 1987-1989, before AS was officially recognized. I was a "misfit," "underachiever," "lazy." Thank God I'm not "normal." And all those doctors can go screw themselves.



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23 Jun 2012, 12:50 pm

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I once ran into a person who thought Asperger's was a "fake" disease. I did a search on the internet and saw that this is a fairly common negative opinion. I think it might be good to discuss how to respond to such commentary.

"It's not just a collection of awkward personality traits, or an excuse to pursue one's interests. Asperger's has a discernible diagnostic pattern** which is consistent and accepted in both Neurosciences and in Psychiatry..." and so forth like that.

How would you respond to these attitudes?

**replaced "pathology" with "pattern" since clearly I may have selected an inaccurate descriptive word accorindg to some. I'm fickle towards others.



Having Aspergers makes it difficult to fit in with a group.
By not fitting in I have learned to form my own opinions about thinks and not follow the pack.

Without reading any of the replies I have gone ahead with a reply to your question.

My response to these attitudes my be to tell to go and **** themselves.



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23 Jun 2012, 1:54 pm

Its probably because they know if someone suspected they had a disorder they would fake it themselves to get attention...so I say people with that attitude are only pointing out their own flaws. They would fake it so therefore other people would, in their mind.


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23 Jun 2012, 2:46 pm

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Please pardon me if you were engaging in hyperbole for the sake of illustration, but asperger's sindrome was "discovered" in 1944... and if that was halfway through your life, that means you would have been born in 1876 and be 136 years old.

A disease is defined as "a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment." We do have a disease... what you were referring to is a communicable disease...

I am having a severely pedantic day... sorry for it


I believe Asperger's is a Syndrome, not a disease... meaning the term syndrome is a medical term, not just a title. I'm no doctor, but I believe the fact that there's no certain cause for it is the factor.

From our very ICD-10:
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F84.5Asperger's syndrome

A disorder of uncertain nosological validity


syndrome is used to describe a collection of symptoms or medical characteristics, usually that is on-going. A physical cause for the symptoms can not always be indentified, meaning that many syndromes are still medical mysteries.



Diseases are conditions which harm bodily function. These are more cut and dry, and they explain the bodily conditions they are causing. They’re not as mysterious, and usually have treatment options.



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26 Jun 2012, 11:44 am

LeeTimmer wrote:
THIS! When I was a kid, we were either "gay," "ret*d," "a geek," "a nerd," etc. My parents took me to doctors often, especially when I was a teen. This was circa 1987-1989, before AS was officially recognized. I was a "misfit," "underachiever," "lazy." Thank God I'm not "normal." And all those doctors can go screw themselves.



I people at school used to bully me about being gay... I used to have terrible anxiety because there was always rumors about it and many times people just stopped being my friend because they thought I was gay, It got me really upset and I had problems making friends anyway.

I was definitely classed as a misfit, an underachiever and lazy at school... teachers even phoned my mum because they thought I was a psychopath because I used to draw SFDT (Stick figure death theater) anime on my books.

I can't really say I'm an aspie because I don't have a diagnosis, but when I asked my doctor about it he tried diagnosing me with schizophrenia.



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26 Jun 2012, 5:07 pm

The amount of energy it would take to fake the sensory overload and meltdowns and misunderstandings would be ridiculous.



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26 Jun 2012, 5:55 pm

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No offense, but that's kind of bigoted in and of itself. It's assuming that just because someone is NT, they'll never learn.

So why is it bigoted? It follows statistical certainties safely. when 70% of the bigotry is practiced by 70% of the anglo saxons it is statistically correct to state that (generally speaking) anglo saxons are bigoted. When more than 60% of the anglo saxon community continue to practice bigotry after decades of "education", it is statistically correct to state that (in general) anglo saxons will likely never learn.

Likewise, when NT individuals deny the existence of a condition or disease regardless of the valid science available, then it's statistically correct to state they're bigoted and/or will never learn. Just like lyme disease is denied by many doctors still today, just like cystic forms of the borellia bacteria is denied by many doctors still today, just like mercury poisoning causing auto immune disorders is still denied by many dentists and doctors today, AS is still denied, in spite of solid evidence to the contrary. WHY? because it's not profitable enough to believe therefore the "experts" form the profitable opinions, which is protecting anything that does make profit that might be blamed as all or part of the cause of the unprofitable "disease", "condition", or "disorder".

Given the sinful past (and sometimes present) of the medical community and the general public's willingness to "blindly follow" the "experts", I don't find any bigotry at all in that assumption. It's an educated assumption based on past history.



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27 Jun 2012, 3:50 am

abyssquick wrote:
"It's not just a collection of awkward personality traits, or an excuse to pursue one's interests. [...]How would you respond to these attitudes?


I lost 2 marriages, 2 houses, & 2 kids to my special interests. Anyone who think I wanted my life to play out in such a manner is crazier than me.


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27 Jun 2012, 5:37 am

Hard for some Nts to understand.

I know I have the traits. Told my brother who just replied that's bs. Then proceeded to watch tv. He's an engineer. Do u think he also suffers from AS?



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28 Jun 2012, 3:03 am

ozman wrote:
Hard for some Nts to understand.

I know I have the traits. Told my brother who just replied that's bs. Then proceeded to watch tv. He's an engineer. Do u think he also suffers from AS?


I don't think you can really make a judgement whether your brother has aspergers or not over this little bit of information. That's kind of like saying "My brother doesn't like nuts, does he have a nut allergy?".