Aspie Entitlement Syndrome
10 Aug 2013, 6:39 pm
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Well, coming from "left field" I say we can't afford any of it. As far as your logic goes, you need to do some more work, as you're assuming a hypothetical instead of a disjunctive or conjunctive.
Now that you said the first statement I understand what you're stating now. It is logically consistent. My issue was this.
If we couldn't afford to do Ettina's suggestions then it isn't possible to afford our military adventures and the war on terror. From this, I was asking if the antecedent is true then how would the consequent be false?
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As far as your wolf/sheep analogy goes, would it really be better if the sheep determines what is for dinner for the four wolves? And if so, how is that different than tyranny?
Fair enough. By this logic, how would it be possible for tyranny not to exist at all. Someone or a group eventually has to decide and at least one of them may not like the decision? How would it be possible to stamp out all tyranny?
10 Aug 2013, 6:40 pm
Thelibrarian wrote:
MjrMajorMajor wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Tyrion, it looks as if you hit a nerve as the reactions are all heat and no light. My guess is the majority of those insulting and degrading you are doing so because they are addicted to handouts. Your critics seem to be doing their utmost to prove the Republicans right: Dependency only generates resentment and bad behavior. I can only wish it were otherwise....
I'll reiterate my point...there are varying levels of ability on the spectrum. Should someone be attacked if they are at a level of disability that leaves them unable to financially support themselves independently?
Major, not everybody on the spectrum is capable of working; my problem is with learned helplessness. I will let Tyrion speak for himself as to whether he begrudges this unfortunate group entitlements, but that's not what I've heard him say. What I've heard Tyrion say is IF an aspie is capable of working, THEN that aspie should be self-supporting. And insofar as this is Tyrion's point, I agree with him. There is no right to be a burden to others.
Agreed, but the problem is the sweeping generalizations that he seems to present his point with. People are reacting negatively because he seems to present all aspies as unhygienic loafers with no care for any other sensibilities other than our own.
10 Aug 2013, 6:42 pm
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Is that premise of yours sound, though? I don't think one can make sweeping generalizations like that. Some adult autists may be as you've observed. Others -- who maybe don't stick out so easily to your awareness -- may not.
But even if I play along and say okay, your observation holds true -- well perhaps those adults have come to the conclusion that after trying all their lives to fit in or improve things, it hasn't "worked" and now they just accept that they have to deal with the cards as they stand. In a sense, there's nothing wrong with that. What some may see as apathy can also be seen as the wisdom of accepting you are what you are and you HAVE tried things to improve, some less successful than others.
Think about how, too, a child still has a chance for very early help/treatment to at least turn the volume down on some of the symptoms.
Present-day adults on the spectrum likely did not get early intervention and quite truly the "wiring was set" to a greater extent than the children of today, whom research has shown that early diagnosis and assistance can go a long way to helping set up the child with a more functional future.
I still don't think your sweeping generalization of "most adult Aspie's don't want to improve, they just want everything for free" is too wide an assumption to be fair or true. Lots of people do not want handouts no matter the difficulties.
And as for those who do rely to any degree on financial assistance and other free assistance -- even then.....maybe they really do need it? There's nothing wrong with that either. There IS a genuine need for many people on the spectrum because NT life IS genuinely too difficult. Not everyone needing all the help they can get is a no-good scrounger, let it be remembered.
I've noticed a lot of adult-Asperger posts on here where the person says their pursuit of a formal diagnosis is NOT so that they can apply for benefits and handouts -- they often already have jobs and careers! -- but instead quite simply to get closure on struggles that have plagued them all their lives, to get an explanation, that helps both them and others in their lives to understand better what's been going on all their lives. Clarity and that relief of sheer discovery of "Why?" is what many adults are content with, it seems to me. That's certainly what it would be for me.
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But even if I play along and say okay, your observation holds true -- well perhaps those adults have come to the conclusion that after trying all their lives to fit in or improve things, it hasn't "worked" and now they just accept that they have to deal with the cards as they stand. In a sense, there's nothing wrong with that. What some may see as apathy can also be seen as the wisdom of accepting you are what you are and you HAVE tried things to improve, some less successful than others.
Think about how, too, a child still has a chance for very early help/treatment to at least turn the volume down on some of the symptoms.
Present-day adults on the spectrum likely did not get early intervention and quite truly the "wiring was set" to a greater extent than the children of today, whom research has shown that early diagnosis and assistance can go a long way to helping set up the child with a more functional future.
I still don't think your sweeping generalization of "most adult Aspie's don't want to improve, they just want everything for free" is too wide an assumption to be fair or true. Lots of people do not want handouts no matter the difficulties.
And as for those who do rely to any degree on financial assistance and other free assistance -- even then.....maybe they really do need it? There's nothing wrong with that either. There IS a genuine need for many people on the spectrum because NT life IS genuinely too difficult. Not everyone needing all the help they can get is a no-good scrounger, let it be remembered.
I've noticed a lot of adult-Asperger posts on here where the person says their pursuit of a formal diagnosis is NOT so that they can apply for benefits and handouts -- they often already have jobs and careers! -- but instead quite simply to get closure on struggles that have plagued them all their lives, to get an explanation, that helps both them and others in their lives to understand better what's been going on all their lives. Clarity and that relief of sheer discovery of "Why?" is what many adults are content with, it seems to me. That's certainly what it would be for me.
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I'd like to add further to this and say that knowing I'm an Aspie has radically improved my functioning in society. Especially the workplace, which can be extremely shallow and most people just talk to you for a few minutes at a time. We don't have meetings and everyone is busy usually all the time at my work, which helps a lot. Find jobs, spouses, friends, hobbies, etc. that align to your personality instead of trying to change yourself to match people that in all likely-hood, couldn't care less about you or you them.
10 Aug 2013, 6:43 pm
Thelibrarian wrote:
If you're not a US citizen, my comments don't concern you. I don't believe in getting involved in the internal affairs of other countries, nor are US internal affairs any business of yours.
Having said this, methinks you doth protest too much.
Having said this, methinks you doth protest too much.
Of course they don't concern me, but you claimed that I (as a critic of his post) may have a dependence that created resentment, etc. That doesn't imply involvement in politics of another country and actually I disclaimed interest in US politics.
As for protesting - no, I'm just standing up for my views.
This is nothing against you, mind you.
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10 Aug 2013, 6:53 pm
cubedemon6073 wrote:
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Well, coming from "left field" I say we can't afford any of it. As far as your logic goes, you need to do some more work, as you're assuming a hypothetical instead of a disjunctive or conjunctive.
Now that you said the first statement I understand what you're stating now. It is logically consistent. My issue was this.
If we couldn't afford to do Ettina's suggestions then it isn't possible to afford our military adventures and the war on terror. From this, I was asking if the antecedent is true then how would the consequent be false?
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As far as your wolf/sheep analogy goes, would it really be better if the sheep determines what is for dinner for the four wolves? And if so, how is that different than tyranny?
Fair enough. By this logic, how would it be possible for tyranny not to exist at all. Someone or a group eventually has to decide and at least one of them may not like the decision? How would it be possible to stamp out all tyranny?
To go back to your logical argument, a in no way implies b; there is no necessary logical connection between warfare and welfare; governments can spend on one without spending on the other. Resources are limited and the politicians the voters put into office choose how those limited resources will be allocated--on bombs or on butter. All of us on limited budgets have had to choose what we are going to spend our money on; governments are no different.
I'm not sure it is possible for tyranny not to exist at all; it does exist, and history tells us tyranny has always existed. It appears to be part of the human condition. It is also the case that no matter what government policies are made, somebody is going to consider it to be tyranny. The solution arrived at in the Western world is called utilitarianism, which is the greatest good for the greatest number. Tyranny is the greatest good for the fewest number.
As far as stamping out tyranny, it's just not going to happen. But I will resist it in my own little corner of the world. To me it doesn't make any sense to think that just because I can't rid the entire world of tyranny that I should be tolerant of it in my own life.
10 Aug 2013, 6:54 pm
I am autistic and on disability.
I did not read all of the answers posted.
I don't care about OP's opinion at all.
I do not understand why people write explanations (seems like "defending"?).
But the pattern of this thread shows it will be going to locked anyway.
It is not right that disabled people have to defend their disability.
OP was reporting narcissistic tendencies in the past.
Thread can be motivated by it.
No use to feed it.
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10 Aug 2013, 6:55 pm
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It's based on the impression I've gotten from this group as well as some other support groups. Every time I ask about strategies for self-improvement, I get lectured, but the threads about getting on SSI are always incredibly popular.
At the aspie meetup group I used to attend, the day they did a presentation on SSI, more than 100 people show up while, typically, 10 or fewer people show up to any meetings that have anything to do with employment or self-improvement. In Austin, Texas, there is a group called the "Austin Autism Treatment Forum" that is to connect people with resources, such as mental health professionals, dietary changes, and vocational training. Nearly all the members are NT parents with either young children or young adult children still living at home.
Oh, and in the L&D forum here, there are many many whiny threads (example: billiscool) complaining about rejection but almost no one asks themselves how he or she can become more attractive. People use that forum just to complain about members of the opposite sex.
Oh, and the point of the site Aspies for Freedom--with more members than this site--is that society should learn to accept people with Asperger's. While I'm all for that, it's debatable what exactly this means. I'm all for not rejecting people for innocent awkwardness. But does that mean society must accept creepy stalking behavior? Bad hygiene? No care for appearance? Racism and sexism? What exactly is it that society is supposed to tolerate?
Some common behavior is simply unacceptable and never should be tolerated. A bunch of women at the aspie meetup group in Dallas broke away and started an aspie women's group due to all the creepy and rapey behavior in the men's one. A few classy men also complained and were then invited to join the women's group (which by the way is much smaller than the main one). So is this the sort of behavior that is supposed to be tolerated? The rape and sexual assault rates perpetrated by male autistics are sky high.
The whole "don't you dare tell me to change" attitude is pretty self-defeating when the bad behavior is this bad, and if you truly are unwilling to change this sort of behavior, then you are not going to ever be well employed. Then, the only remaining alternative is getting government handouts.
I'm all for socialism, but I think that anyone who takes a government handout should be forced to engage in self-improvement and behavior modification if it's behavior that is preventing this person from working. In particular, the sexual deviancy and rapey behavior among many individuals on the spectrum is troubling, especially when they refuse to change it.
At the aspie meetup group I used to attend, the day they did a presentation on SSI, more than 100 people show up while, typically, 10 or fewer people show up to any meetings that have anything to do with employment or self-improvement. In Austin, Texas, there is a group called the "Austin Autism Treatment Forum" that is to connect people with resources, such as mental health professionals, dietary changes, and vocational training. Nearly all the members are NT parents with either young children or young adult children still living at home.
Oh, and in the L&D forum here, there are many many whiny threads (example: billiscool) complaining about rejection but almost no one asks themselves how he or she can become more attractive. People use that forum just to complain about members of the opposite sex.
Oh, and the point of the site Aspies for Freedom--with more members than this site--is that society should learn to accept people with Asperger's. While I'm all for that, it's debatable what exactly this means. I'm all for not rejecting people for innocent awkwardness. But does that mean society must accept creepy stalking behavior? Bad hygiene? No care for appearance? Racism and sexism? What exactly is it that society is supposed to tolerate?
Some common behavior is simply unacceptable and never should be tolerated. A bunch of women at the aspie meetup group in Dallas broke away and started an aspie women's group due to all the creepy and rapey behavior in the men's one. A few classy men also complained and were then invited to join the women's group (which by the way is much smaller than the main one). So is this the sort of behavior that is supposed to be tolerated? The rape and sexual assault rates perpetrated by male autistics are sky high.
The whole "don't you dare tell me to change" attitude is pretty self-defeating when the bad behavior is this bad, and if you truly are unwilling to change this sort of behavior, then you are not going to ever be well employed. Then, the only remaining alternative is getting government handouts.
I'm all for socialism, but I think that anyone who takes a government handout should be forced to engage in self-improvement and behavior modification if it's behavior that is preventing this person from working. In particular, the sexual deviancy and rapey behavior among many individuals on the spectrum is troubling, especially when they refuse to change it.
Everything you say is correct my friend. Herein lies the issue. It has been hammered into our heads since we were children to be true to ourselves and we're not supposed to care about what anyone thinks. A lot of aspies like myself have taken this message to heart and to literal. The thing is be yourself and not caring what others think wasn't intended to be disrespectful to others. All it meant was that we're not supposed to pretend to like hockey when we don't or dress and act like a rapper when we're not. If you like star wars then express that you like star wars but be appropriate about it though and don't force yourself on others. It took me a long time to realize this though. Tyrion, I believe a lot of those on the spectrum misinterpreted these messages and this would be the first wall you would have to crack. They would have to be willing to accept they've misinterpreted things along the way. Trust me, it is hard.
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10 Aug 2013, 6:56 pm
MjrMajorMajor wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
MjrMajorMajor wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Tyrion, it looks as if you hit a nerve as the reactions are all heat and no light. My guess is the majority of those insulting and degrading you are doing so because they are addicted to handouts. Your critics seem to be doing their utmost to prove the Republicans right: Dependency only generates resentment and bad behavior. I can only wish it were otherwise....
I'll reiterate my point...there are varying levels of ability on the spectrum. Should someone be attacked if they are at a level of disability that leaves them unable to financially support themselves independently?
Major, not everybody on the spectrum is capable of working; my problem is with learned helplessness. I will let Tyrion speak for himself as to whether he begrudges this unfortunate group entitlements, but that's not what I've heard him say. What I've heard Tyrion say is IF an aspie is capable of working, THEN that aspie should be self-supporting. And insofar as this is Tyrion's point, I agree with him. There is no right to be a burden to others.
Agreed, but the problem is the sweeping generalizations that he seems to present his point with. People are reacting negatively because he seems to present all aspies as unhygienic loafers with no care for any other sensibilities other than our own.
Major, I'm not in the least offended by his comments, and I'm as aspie as anybody here. Nor can I see where he directed them at you. Maybe Tyrion will clarify. Would it make you happy if he told you he's not talking about you?
10 Aug 2013, 7:10 pm
Everyone has his/her pace and for parents with autism its not really possible to stop and ponder over the current state of your life because your children demand you to keep moving, that doesn't mean parents with autism never take a hit or get depressed, but the consequences are far bigger when you have a child to take care of, which also doesn't mean they cannot feel the exact same way as someone on benefits at the same time.
Spending your days alone in what to you seems as a comatose state while receiving benefits can have a million reasons (e.g. depression, getting fired over and over, not being able to get started), and not accepting treatment can have another million (e.g. trust, fear, past experiences), and so can feeling entitled (e.g. having been bullied in the past in school or work, being angry at the world for not fitting in, being just tired of trying so why cant someone else try for once), and while all this may be irrational it is not entirely surprising for an adult with autism to end up this way, and not really to be called their fault either.
You don't call a depression a dark cloud for no reason, some people cannot see what it is front of them yet, until they have some more light shining inside, you cannot judge them and call them something that will only infuriate them more, as it will only strengthen their feelings that the world is against them, and now even people within the very community that could help them become more positive seem to judge them.
Good job on making an easy post where you try to get a rise out of people, but maybe you should explain to the rest of the class how you got such great self-esteem, so they may learn something from it, rather than sitting there high and mighty in your ivory tower judging everyone around you, while not realizing that your towers foundation is rotten to the core and built on a clear superiority complex.
I've been living on benefits for the past 7 years, and due to having that time to build myself up brick for brick, I have discovered my true calling, which is getting a degree in psychology to help out other autistic people in the future.
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10 Aug 2013, 7:12 pm
I have to declare this a victory for the troll. Despite the title change to something more inflammatory and repeatedly suggesting that autistic males are sexual deviants and rapists some of you are actually defending this as*hole. Never mind the fact that he's calling us freeloaders. Since the OP 1st came here he's made it a point to tell us he's not on the spectrum yet time and again he posts inflammatory threads which portray us unfairly and inaccurately. I don't mind criticism but this is not that, this is just a slap in the face.
And OP about your little fantasy about traveling to central America and mugging people along the way... let be honest with each other, you would be someone b***h 15 minutes after crossing the border. 
10 Aug 2013, 7:17 pm
Thelibrarian wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
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Well, coming from "left field" I say we can't afford any of it. As far as your logic goes, you need to do some more work, as you're assuming a hypothetical instead of a disjunctive or conjunctive.
Now that you said the first statement I understand what you're stating now. It is logically consistent. My issue was this.
If we couldn't afford to do Ettina's suggestions then it isn't possible to afford our military adventures and the war on terror. From this, I was asking if the antecedent is true then how would the consequent be false?
Quote:
As far as your wolf/sheep analogy goes, would it really be better if the sheep determines what is for dinner for the four wolves? And if so, how is that different than tyranny?
Fair enough. By this logic, how would it be possible for tyranny not to exist at all. Someone or a group eventually has to decide and at least one of them may not like the decision? How would it be possible to stamp out all tyranny?
To go back to your logical argument, a in no way implies b; there is no necessary logical connection between warfare and welfare; governments can spend on one without spending on the other. Resources are limited and the politicians the voters put into office choose how those limited resources will be allocated--on bombs or on butter. All of us on limited budgets have had to choose what we are going to spend our money on; governments are no different.
I'm not sure it is possible for tyranny not to exist at all; it does exist, and history tells us tyranny has always existed. It appears to be part of the human condition. It is also the case that no matter what government policies are made, somebody is going to consider it to be tyranny. The solution arrived at in the Western world is called utilitarianism, which is the greatest good for the greatest number. Tyranny is the greatest good for the fewest number.
As far as stamping out tyranny, it's just not going to happen. But I will resist it in my own little corner of the world. To me it doesn't make any sense to think that just because I can't rid the entire world of tyranny that I should be tolerant of it in my own life.
I see what you're saying. It isn't that we can't afford it in an absolute manner. It's that we choose to allocate resources to other areas am I correct?
10 Aug 2013, 7:17 pm
Jonov wrote:
everyone has his/her pace and for parents with autism its not really possible to stop and ponder over the current state of your life because your children demand you to keep moving, that doesn't mean parents with autism never take a hit or get depressed, but the consequences are far bigger when you have a child to take care of, which also doesn't mean they cannot feel the exact same way as someone on benefits at the same time.
Spending your days alone in what to you seems as a comatose state while receiving benefits can have a million reasons (e.g. depression, getting fired over and over, not being able to get started), and not accepting treatment can have another million (e.g. trust, fear, past experiences), and so can feeling entitled (e.g. having been bullied in the past in school or work, being angry at the world for not fitting in, being just tired of trying so why cant someone else try for once), and while all this may be irrational it is not entirely surprising for an adult with autism to end up this way, and not really to be called their fault either.
You don't call a depression a dark cloud for no reason, some people cannot see what it is front of them yet, until they have some more light shining inside, you cannot judge them and call them something that will only infuriate them more, as it will only strengthen their feelings that the world is against them, and now even people within the very community that could help them become more positive seem to judge them.
Good job on making an easy post where you try to get a rise out of people, but maybe you should explain to the rest of the class how you got such great self-esteem, so they may learn something from it, rather than sitting there high and mighty in your ivory tower judging everyone around you, while not realizing that your towers foundation is rotten to the core and built on a clear superiority complex.
I've been living on benefits for the past 7 years, and due to having that time to build myself up brick for brick, I have discovered my true calling, which is getting a degree in psychology to help out other autistic people in the future.
Spending your days alone in what to you seems as a comatose state while receiving benefits can have a million reasons (e.g. depression, getting fired over and over, not being able to get started), and not accepting treatment can have another million (e.g. trust, fear, past experiences), and so can feeling entitled (e.g. having been bullied in the past in school or work, being angry at the world for not fitting in, being just tired of trying so why cant someone else try for once), and while all this may be irrational it is not entirely surprising for an adult with autism to end up this way, and not really to be called their fault either.
You don't call a depression a dark cloud for no reason, some people cannot see what it is front of them yet, until they have some more light shining inside, you cannot judge them and call them something that will only infuriate them more, as it will only strengthen their feelings that the world is against them, and now even people within the very community that could help them become more positive seem to judge them.
Good job on making an easy post where you try to get a rise out of people, but maybe you should explain to the rest of the class how you got such great self-esteem, so they may learn something from it, rather than sitting there high and mighty in your ivory tower judging everyone around you, while not realizing that your towers foundation is rotten to the core and built on a clear superiority complex.
I've been living on benefits for the past 7 years, and due to having that time to build myself up brick for brick, I have discovered my true calling, which is getting a degree in psychology to help out other autistic people in the future.
Im not sure of the exact meaning of +1 but I know its a good thing so +1 for you Jonov.
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10 Aug 2013, 7:18 pm
Thelibrarian wrote:
MjrMajorMajor wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
MjrMajorMajor wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Tyrion, it looks as if you hit a nerve as the reactions are all heat and no light. My guess is the majority of those insulting and degrading you are doing so because they are addicted to handouts. Your critics seem to be doing their utmost to prove the Republicans right: Dependency only generates resentment and bad behavior. I can only wish it were otherwise....
I'll reiterate my point...there are varying levels of ability on the spectrum. Should someone be attacked if they are at a level of disability that leaves them unable to financially support themselves independently?
Major, not everybody on the spectrum is capable of working; my problem is with learned helplessness. I will let Tyrion speak for himself as to whether he begrudges this unfortunate group entitlements, but that's not what I've heard him say. What I've heard Tyrion say is IF an aspie is capable of working, THEN that aspie should be self-supporting. And insofar as this is Tyrion's point, I agree with him. There is no right to be a burden to others.
Agreed, but the problem is the sweeping generalizations that he seems to present his point with. People are reacting negatively because he seems to present all aspies as unhygienic loafers with no care for any other sensibilities other than our own.
Major, I'm not in the least offended by his comments, and I'm as aspie as anybody here. Nor can I see where he directed them at you. Maybe Tyrion will clarify. Would it make you happy if he told you he's not talking about you?
I will clarify with more concrete terminology.
1. Aspies often struggle with employment for several reasons:
a. misinterpreting instructions and trouble with communication
b. difficulties with social chit chat
c. anxiety, depression, and sleep disorders
d. rude or odd behavior that makes others uncomfortable
e. sexual harassment or inappropriate sexual comments and touching (seems to apply to a lot of males on the spectrum): I posted empirical evidence of this in this thread: http://www.wrongplanet.net/posts237279-start75.html.
2. Descriptions
A: legitimate disability that should be accommodated and/or supported
B: somewhat legitimate disability, but many vocational resources are available for individuals wishing to improve in this area. In my opinion, an individual should not be able to collect a handout if he or she does not make adequate efforts to improve in this area.
C: legitimate disability that should be accommodated and/or supported
D: plain old bad behavior
E: bad/criminal behavior
3. In my aspie meetup group, a large percentage of the dozens of autistic individuals who expressed having trouble with finding and keeping employment struggled because of reasons B, D, and E. In fact, males appear to be more likely to struggle with D and E than females, less likely to struggle with C, and equally likely to struggle with A and B. In my vocational training class, a large percentage of the problems addressed had to do with D and E. I might add I found this class stressful and a waste of time -- and left. I primarily struggle with B and C.
4. If D and E do not apply to you, I am not talking about you. If B applies to you, I am including you but only if you do not make real efforts in this area. If A and C apply to you, I am not talking about you at all.
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10 Aug 2013, 7:24 pm
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
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Well, coming from "left field" I say we can't afford any of it. As far as your logic goes, you need to do some more work, as you're assuming a hypothetical instead of a disjunctive or conjunctive.
Now that you said the first statement I understand what you're stating now. It is logically consistent. My issue was this.
If we couldn't afford to do Ettina's suggestions then it isn't possible to afford our military adventures and the war on terror. From this, I was asking if the antecedent is true then how would the consequent be false?
Quote:
As far as your wolf/sheep analogy goes, would it really be better if the sheep determines what is for dinner for the four wolves? And if so, how is that different than tyranny?
Fair enough. By this logic, how would it be possible for tyranny not to exist at all. Someone or a group eventually has to decide and at least one of them may not like the decision? How would it be possible to stamp out all tyranny?
To go back to your logical argument, a in no way implies b; there is no necessary logical connection between warfare and welfare; governments can spend on one without spending on the other. Resources are limited and the politicians the voters put into office choose how those limited resources will be allocated--on bombs or on butter. All of us on limited budgets have had to choose what we are going to spend our money on; governments are no different.
I'm not sure it is possible for tyranny not to exist at all; it does exist, and history tells us tyranny has always existed. It appears to be part of the human condition. It is also the case that no matter what government policies are made, somebody is going to consider it to be tyranny. The solution arrived at in the Western world is called utilitarianism, which is the greatest good for the greatest number. Tyranny is the greatest good for the fewest number.
As far as stamping out tyranny, it's just not going to happen. But I will resist it in my own little corner of the world. To me it doesn't make any sense to think that just because I can't rid the entire world of tyranny that I should be tolerant of it in my own life.
I see what you're saying. It isn't that we can't afford it in an absolute manner. It's that we choose to allocate resources to other areas am I correct?
That's correct. Nor is this always a right-wing, Republican thing. Stalin always found money to spend on his war machine, but never could seem to come up with money to help those seriously maimed in WWII. Unless their families could afford to take care of them, they had to go out to the streets and beg to survive.
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10 Aug 2013, 7:28 pm
Tyri0n wrote:
I've noticed a difference in the attitude of most parents of kids with autism, as well as a few adults with autism, and a great many adults with autism.
While the former is very interested in finding ways to improve autistic symptoms and improve lives, the latter typically is not interested in self-improvement and just believes that society owes them free stuff. "We don't want treatment; we don't care about self-improvement; we just want free stuff" -- typical attitude on Aspies for Freedom.
In this site's L&D, the theme is similar: "we feel entitled to have a hot girlfriend/boyfriend without doing anything to make sure you bring value to the table."
Why is this?
I haven't noticed anything of the kind.
While the former is very interested in finding ways to improve autistic symptoms and improve lives, the latter typically is not interested in self-improvement and just believes that society owes them free stuff. "We don't want treatment; we don't care about self-improvement; we just want free stuff" -- typical attitude on Aspies for Freedom.
In this site's L&D, the theme is similar: "we feel entitled to have a hot girlfriend/boyfriend without doing anything to make sure you bring value to the table."
Why is this?
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KADI score: 114/130
Your Aspie score: 139 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 54 of 200
Conversion Disorder, General/Social Anxiety Disorder, Major Depression
10 Aug 2013, 7:33 pm
Just want to point out, that any group advocating more support for autism shouldn't be slated, because ultimately it takes pressure off the tax payer for them to be self sufficient if they want that. Choice between paying for one person to setup a group talk or paying loads to sit at home and struggle - Is it still entitlement or is it an attempt to make a contribution to society, you think?
Eloa wrote:
I am autistic and on disability.
I did not read all of the answers posted.
I don't care about OP's opinion at all.
I do not understand why people write explanations (seems like "defending"?).
But the pattern of this thread shows it will be going to locked anyway.
It is not right that disabled people have to defend their disability.
OP was reporting narcissistic tendencies in the past.
Thread can be motivated by it.
No use to feed it.
I did not read all of the answers posted.
I don't care about OP's opinion at all.
I do not understand why people write explanations (seems like "defending"?).
But the pattern of this thread shows it will be going to locked anyway.
It is not right that disabled people have to defend their disability.
OP was reporting narcissistic tendencies in the past.
Thread can be motivated by it.
No use to feed it.
Agreed, we don't have to defend ourselves at all.
+1 to jonov too, whatever that means lol.
Agree with rascal on this one too.
Last edited by savvyidentity on 10 Aug 2013, 7:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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