Asperger's Syndrome and Narcissistic Personality Disorder

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A narcissistic individual is primraryly emotionally driven, an aspie by logic. I would find it difficult to imagine an individual that could exhibit both disorders.

While both personalities are lacking in empathy, utilise false social reaction and are based on the self rather than others, a narcissist's goal is extro-verted while an aspie's is introverted.

An Aspie is driven by logic? Logic is relative, and everyone follows their own logic. Narcissists still follow the logic of their existence, that interaction with other people is about clashes of ego, about manipulation. Can't you see how the two logics are compatable? Consider if an autistic had been brought up with narcissists since they were really young, that they learnt the narcissistic lesson. Logically, it follows that that autistic would learn to interact and behave in the same manner. Although, of course, there's the possibility that the autistic doesn't learn and becomes a victim with low self-esteem. The two are far from mutually exclusive, and they're already very similar.

How to get rid of narcissistic traits? I'm not a liar, but I care too much about actually being the best at certain (quite a few, not to say almost everything) things. That's impossible and makes me suffer.

How to get rid of it? I suffer from being not as good as I am. I want to stop caring about it. I understand everything logically, because yeah, so what that one is better than me, I can just work more. Unfortunately, my stupid emotional brain is too ret*d to be quiet and makes me suffer.

I have some problems with executive functioning because of my narcissistic desire to be best-in-class. My emotional kernel enters "kernel panic" state too easily with short time limits, so it spams all my neurological network with useless information that "I can't do that", so I literally can't think about anything else.

How to get rid of that? I try very hard, but the fact that I may suffer from this for the rest of my life is sometimes overwhelming and depressing.

The only personality disorder I am aware of that comes close to being the opposite of autism is histrionic personality disorder, and both studies I've seen that looked for PDs in autistic people found zero with HPD. Even so, I would hesitate to say that there are no autistic people with HPD.

NPD is far from mutually exclusive with autism, however.

Problem with words and interpretations of words.

EGO? What is ego. When I am going against someones ideas it is not because I want conflict. I want a solution. The problem is that people are conflict driven. Is that my problem?

Disagreements. Hmmm do we always have to agree?

Asperger people never plan ahead and always do what they are told? I mean if I plan out something and someone tries to shatter those plans and if I do not listen to that person that makes me narcissistic?

Unrealistic goals? This is speculative term. Many people are different. Someone is a good sprinter and can run 100 meters in 10 seconds. If that person goes to olympics and trains for olympics, how is that unrealistic?

I have been told by many idiots that something can not be done. So? Does that mean that I have to meltdown and cry over what someone else thinks?

Narcissism means you only see your self in the picture. The problem is that when I try to cooperate with people they deliberatly go against everything I want to do and try to do?

Pisses me off and I argue with them uppon which I am called egoistic? Then my selfesteem drops down to 0, because I had this argument 1000 times. Yeah.

Be very aware of the characteristics of the Narcissist that walk among us. My sister is one and I didn't even realize it until our mother died. She is six years older than I am and bullied me and gave me grief throughout my childhood but she never got in trouble because they thought she was a child prodigy. She made straight A's all through school, was the teacher's pet and had tons of friends. She married a red neck with an inheritance, has a successful career and thousands of friends on Facebook. She flaunts her extravagant lifestyle and pretends to be generous and open minded but she is actually the coldest and greediest person I have ever known.
Narcissism is the exact opposite of ASD. These people are completely empty inside and compensate by creating an illusion of perfection. They feed off the admiration and envy of other people. They are master manipulators who cannot take criticism of any kind because they perceive it as a threat to the illusion that they have of themselves. They are excellent at predicting what people will do but a person with an ASD is a fly in the ointment because they underestimate us because of our lack of social skills. They think that everybody wants to be envied by others as much as they do. They have learned the social game well, it is the only game that they understand.
If you have the misfortune to run into a Narcissist remember that they will do anything to protect their own reputation. If you know who you are dealing with you will be able to totally predict them and they well never be able to predict you. This is a case where not complying with the rules of the social game gives you a tremendous advantage when you will probably need it the most.
My sister took off her mask after my mother died and put my dad in a nursing home, stole all of his property and tried to get control of his house and his money but I managed to rescue him and save the cash and the house. I am still working on the personal property that she and her son stole which included some valuable world war I weapons and firearms and other collectable items.
I am quite sure that my dad is ASD and my sister was just pampered and spoiled to death as a child. That can cause Narcissism.

Gaby76: there are a few subtypes of narcissists:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissist ... r#Subtypes

Your sister might be "Unprincipled narcissist". I think that some of the other subtypes aren't necessarily opposite of the ASD. However, they all have something in common: lies.

Personally, I hate lies, so maybe I don't have a full-blown NPD, but just a few nasty traits...

I was curious by this thread so I took the NDP quiz on PsychCentral.

"Your Total: 5
Between 12 and 15 is average.
Celebrities often score closer to 18.
Narcissists score over 20."

So, I'm thinking they are not all that similar.

My SIL is NPD.

I would describe her as manipulative, for sure. She's so skilled at it I'm not sure she even realizes that she does it - it's just a part of who she is, all the time. I used to admire her extreme confidence and grand sense of self, just because it was so... intense! I was like - wow, she sure is confident! I wish I had some of that! When I'm talking to her, I know now that she's only pretending to be listening, and will look for any opportunity to bring the conversation back around to herself and her needs, wants and achievements. It's quite different than an AS person wanting to talk about their obsessive topical interests. She's had extra-marital affairs and did act remorseful when she was caught, though in hindsight she was kind of flaunting it, dropping hints, almost looking to get caught. She craves power. Here is a big trait - she has very lofty aspirations - she if fully honest about the fact that she wants and deserves to be rich, successful, and adored. But these aspirations are not very realistic (she doesn't like to work) and her spending habits have led to bankruptcy and foreclosures. I love her because she's my SIL, but I wouldn't choose to have her as a friend, and I'm much more guarded around her now.