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22 Oct 2014, 2:54 pm

So, yesterday I turned 40, and I used that occasion to finally leave the Catholic Church. Already as a teenager I doubted, but I went on to study Roman Catholic theology up to Masters level trying to give them a chance to convince me. I wanted to believe and I'm "envious" of people who get strength from religious belief. At some point during my studies, I even had what I'm sure was a religious "calling". I just never knew what I was called to. As someone who is gay and doesn't belief in almost everything the Catholic Church teaches, I never felt at home. And still I didn'l leave. At some point I told my parents I had left the Church to piss them off, even though I hadn't. Now, at 40, I left without telling them about it.

Why did I finally do it? I was diagnosed with Asperger's last year and have been an autism activist ever since. I became aware of an autism conference the Vatican will be organizing next month, and I contacted them multiple times to make sure that autistic self-advocates would be invited to speak, not just parents or professionals. A week or so ago the conference programme was published - and they invited Autism Speaks, but not a single autistic speaker. That was the last drop.

I will not be a part of this Church when the Wrights get the unavoidable photo op with Pope Francis and his blessing. Not in my name. Enough is enough.

Here's the link to the conference:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/ponti ... /hlthwork/

And the conference programme (in Italian and English):

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/ponti ... gramma.pdf



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22 Oct 2014, 6:08 pm

Thank you for the links. I hope you are all right. Happy birthday too.
Your post comes at an awkward time for me as I am considering re-joining. In quickly only beginning to peruse the conference link I saw that: It says there will be a Taiwanese artist - who is autistic - present, along with their artwork. Here is a quote:

"On Thursday 20 November 2014 our international conferen- ce will begin with a celebration of the Holy Mass in St. Peter?s Basilica. This will be followed by the papers and contributions in the Hall of the Synod which will follow one another for the whole of Friday. In the morning of Saturday 22 November those taking part in the international conference will join people with autism spectrum disorders and their family relatives, those who accompany them, health-care workers, priests, men and women religious, and voluntary workers, in the Paul VI Hall for a me- eting of testimonies and prayer with the Holy Father Francis, along with a musical moment.
Bearing in mind the notable contribution offered by music for this specific pathology, it was believed advisable that this meeting with the Holy Father should also have the features of a ?party?, thereby making easier the involvement and the participation of the people who will be present at the meeting, as a sign of the care, nearness and solidarity of the Church community.
PONTIFICIUM CONSILIUM PRO VALETUDINIS ADMINISTRIS

....Valuable testimony will also be offered by the exhibition of works by an autistic painter from Taiwan who has managed to become established as an artist on the international scene and who will also be present at our event."?



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22 Oct 2014, 7:05 pm

Organizers of autism conferences are always keen to show art work. Art doesn't contradict them, and art doesn't formulate demands that might clash with the agenda of the organizers and how they view autism. It's not the same as asking autistic self-advocates to speak. There will be a meeting with some autistic people - my guess is mainly children, most of them non-verbal -, but in a non-official frame, outside the formal conference. Message: Here are the experts who know what to do about autism and there are the poor souls they are trying to help. That's the photo opportunity I am speaking of. That meeting with autistic people who are not allowed to speak themselves will be where the photos will be taken that Autism Speaks will afterwards be able to use in furthering their anti-autism agenda.

A photo of the Wrights with Archbishop O'Malley of Boston already exists:

http://www.autismspeaks.org/news/news-item/thank-you-cardinal-o039malley-and-pope-francis

If you know how many hospitals, schools, institutions, and so on the Catholic Church runs all over the world, you can estimate how much damage a conference such as this can do if it is seen as endorsing Autism Speaks.

It's also quite ironic considering the Catholic Churches' strong opposition to abortion and Autism Speaks' research drive for a prenatal genetic test that will allow the abortion of fetuses at risk of autism.



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22 Oct 2014, 7:14 pm

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Organizers of autism conferences are always keen to show art work. Art doesn't contradict them, and art doesn't formulate demands that might clash with the agenda of the organizers and how they view autism. It's not the same as asking autistic self-advocates to speak. There will be a meeting with some autistic people - my guess is mainly children, most of them non-verbal -, but in a non-official frame, outside the formal conference. Message: Here are the experts who know what to do about autism and there are the poor souls they are trying to help. That's the photo opportunity I am speaking of. That meeting with autistic people who are not allowed to speak themselves will be where the photos will be taken that Autism Speaks will afterwards be able to use in furthering their anti-autism agenda.

A photo of the Wrights with Archbishop O'Malley of Boston already exists:

http://www.autismspeaks.org/news/news-item/thank-you-cardinal-o039malley-and-pope-francis
If you know how many hospitals, schools, institutions, and so on the Catholic Church runs all over the world, you can estimate how much damage a conference such as this can do if it is seen as endorsing Autism Speaks.

Thank you for showing me that - it is distressing. I want to know and prefer the truth about what is going on. Maybe writing some letters to those in positions of power might (eventually) help? Especially pointing out the ghastly position you mentioned as far as abortion?



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22 Oct 2014, 7:22 pm

I contacted the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Health Care Workers, who is organizing the conference, directly, in July - never received a reply.

I also contacted the Vatican's diplomatic mission to the United Nations and the World Health Organization in Geneva, in September. All they did was forward my e-mail to the Pontifical Council once more. Still no reply.



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22 Oct 2014, 7:33 pm

Aspendos wrote:
I contacted the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Health Care Workers, who is organizing the conference, directly, in July - never received a reply.

I also contacted the Vatican's diplomatic mission to the United Nations and the World Health Organization in Geneva, in September. All they did was forward my e-mail to the Pontifical Council once more. Still no reply.

:( Wow, not even a note back is really cold. I am glad you wrote to them, I mean it is to me honorable that you made the effort. This issue is going to be bouncing around in my brain for a while. I like to think that there has to be some way to communicate the important points you've made here.



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22 Oct 2014, 11:46 pm

So many will see the Vatican embrace this hate group, and then the many will see their, views, as being more mainstream and acceptable -- A sickening thought.

The past conferences that the Vatican listed as being relevant, include topics on sickness and caring for the sick, I can guess what's going to happen at this conference.



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23 Oct 2014, 7:40 am

Aspendos wrote:
So, yesterday I turned 40, and I used that occasion to finally leave the Catholic Church. Already as a teenager I doubted, but I went on to study Roman Catholic theology up to Masters level trying to give them a chance to convince me. I wanted to believe and I'm "envious" of people who get strength from religious belief. At some point during my studies, I even had what I'm sure was a religious "calling". I just never knew what I was called to. As someone who is gay and doesn't belief in almost everything the Catholic Church teaches, I never felt at home. And still I didn'l leave. At some point I told my parents I had left the Church to piss them off, even though I hadn't. Now, at 40, I left without telling them about it.

Why did I finally do it? I was diagnosed with Asperger's last year and have been an autism activist ever since. I became aware of an autism conference the Vatican will be organizing next month, and I contacted them multiple times to make sure that autistic self-advocates would be invited to speak, not just parents or professionals. A week or so ago the conference programme was published - and they invited Autism Speaks, but not a single autistic speaker. That was the last drop.

I will not be a part of this Church when the Wrights get the unavoidable photo op with Pope Francis and his blessing. Not in my name. Enough is enough.

Here's the link to the conference:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/ponti ... /hlthwork/

And the conference programme (in Italian and English):

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/ponti ... gramma.pdf
as an autistic self advocate, i am not surprised by this act of ignorancy the church is doing,autism $peaks are a hate group based on the faulty ideals that autism is a disease . this pattern of thought is strongly resembles or even similar to the way of thought that the church seeing us, but instead of taking a race purity and supremacy , with Nazi style eugenics approach like autism $peaks , they claims we are cursed and a punishment for our parents, both ways are similar , not in they fu@#ed up ideals but in the actions and prejudice they take against us.



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23 Oct 2014, 4:37 pm

Unfortunately, it will be impossible to boycott the Catholic Church the same way autistic self-advocates in the US have been boycotting businesses collaborating with or donating to Autism Speaks. People's faith is more robust than their customer loyalty to a brand.

However, due to the high page ranking of Wrong Planet, this thread is already result number 2 if someone googles "Autism Speaks Pope Francis", and it shows up on the first page of search results for "Autism Speaks Pope" and "Autism Speaks Catholic".



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24 Oct 2014, 12:55 pm

I long ago stopped blaming other people and organizations for turning to Autism Speaks. It is the biggest beast out there so, to the NT world, it has credibility. What I do instead is take the opportunity to educate people about what the issues are that the ASD community has with the organization, and point them to organizations I hope they will choose to support either instead of or in addition to the support they have in place for Autism Speaks.

You can't expect anyone outside of our small community to understand what our issue with Autism Speaks is. You just can't. Even parents of ASD kids tend not to know. People don't have time to fully research and understand all the complicated issues in the world, so they tend to turn to the ones with the strongest public face. That is Autism Speaks. They've marketed themselves brilliantly (despite the giant missteps) and have contacts the rest of us don't.

I hope you find a faith community that will meet your needs and not fully turn away from it. Your relationship with God is far more important than membership in any particular church, so if a split is what it takes to make that whole, then you've done the right thing.

I guess I don't sound very Catholic, do I, even though I am most definitely Catholic. But I separate all that from my private faith. It is just a church, a "faith family." It isn't faith itself.

I will think about writing them, myself. As a parent and a current member of the church - and also a pretty effective advocate when I choose to be - I might be able to get heard better. I will think about it. But I might need help with some of the facts against Autism Speaks; I've never held that closely to the issue.


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25 Oct 2014, 3:07 pm

Aspendos wrote:
Unfortunately, it will be impossible to boycott the Catholic Church the same way autistic self-advocates in the US have been boycotting businesses collaborating with or donating to Autism Speaks. People's faith is more robust than their customer loyalty to a brand.


Actually, its not hard to boycott the Catholic Church: You can go to church and pray and participate in mass but you don't have to be a member and you DO NOT have to pay for it (what's the worst that can happen, one of the rude ushers escort you out?). I think that all of the sex scandals would have gone away years ago had people stopped paying for it, just as if there was a sex scandal at Macy's people would not shop there and it would soon stop. As for Autism Speaks, really, do they do much of anything for the people already here?

By the way, I stopped being a "practicing" Catholic because nuns and priests are mean to me and why would I support any place that has nasty people?



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25 Oct 2014, 3:19 pm

So the Vatican decided to hold an autism conference and no self advocates were invited. Sounds more like the Catholic Church didn't want to or didn't think to include autistic advocates. That seems to be the issue to me. Not sure how that's an autism speaks thing.


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25 Oct 2014, 3:45 pm

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So the Vatican decided to hold an autism conference and no self advocates were invited. Sounds more like the Catholic Church didn't want to or didn't think to include autistic advocates. That seems to be the issue to me. Not sure how that's an autism speaks thing.


Well, Catholic teaching knows sins of omission and sins of commission. Not inviting self-advocates is a sin of omission; inviting Autism Speaks instead is a sin of commission - and deserves a stronger response.



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26 Oct 2014, 9:09 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
I long ago stopped blaming other people and organizations for turning to Autism Speaks. It is the biggest beast out there so, to the NT world, it has credibility. What I do instead is take the opportunity to educate people about what the issues are that the ASD community has with the organization, and point them to organizations I hope they will choose to support either instead of or in addition to the support they have in place for Autism Speaks.

You can't expect anyone outside of our small community to understand what our issue with Autism Speaks is. You just can't. Even parents of ASD kids tend not to know. People don't have time to fully research and understand all the complicated issues in the world, so they tend to turn to the ones with the strongest public face. That is Autism Speaks. They've marketed themselves brilliantly (despite the giant missteps) and have contacts the rest of us don't.


I don't think the cause is solely that they're such good marketers, but rather that people do what they always do, and don't listen to AS people, I think that's a large factor. They've such extreme views on Autism and Asperger's that you have to ask how people not know about it, it's hard to chalk it all up as silly ignorance. You don't, for example, find most people considering the KKK or the Aryan brotherhood as respectable charities.

Edit: ISIS -- ISIS is a perfect example. They've been considered internet marketing and social media geniuses, and yet, the majority doesn't subscribe to ISIS or their views of a caliphate through violent means.



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26 Oct 2014, 7:13 pm

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Organizers of autism conferences are always keen to show art work. Art doesn't contradict them, and art doesn't formulate demands that might clash with the agenda of the organizers and how they view autism. It's not the same as asking autistic self-advocates to speak. There will be a meeting with some autistic people - my guess is mainly children, most of them non-verbal -, but in a non-official frame, outside the formal conference. Message: Here are the experts who know what to do about autism and there are the poor souls they are trying to help. That's the photo opportunity I am speaking of. That meeting with autistic people who are not allowed to speak themselves will be where the photos will be taken that Autism Speaks will afterwards be able to use in furthering their anti-autism agenda.

A photo of the Wrights with Archbishop O'Malley of Boston already exists:



If you know how many hospitals, schools, institutions, and so on the Catholic Church runs all over the world, you can estimate how much damage a conference such as this can do if it is seen as endorsing Autism Speaks.

It's also quite ironic considering the Catholic Churches' strong opposition to abortion and Autism Speaks' research drive for a prenatal genetic test that will allow the abortion of fetuses at risk of autism.


Intresting as Catholic with Aspergers I don't like such things but maybe pope etc are just ignorant of Autism Speaks views. I particularly hate stupid NTs who are probably not attractive, or smart and obsessive over one thing only in their life maybe want those of us 10 points higher on the spectrum thus Aspergers diagnosed to be killed when we may be smarter or more empathetic or more social or all 3 than them... Also they seem to really think we wear big ear things like the guy in something about Mary and cant speak are ugly, etc. This association with Aspergers and Autism is quite bad in my view, Yes its on the spectrum but I wonder whose agenda it served by redefining Aspergers to be the same as autism. How many psychologists really agree with it....Its funny because said useful idiots on daily mail website probably wouldn't know I had any thing wrong if I deliberately tried to act like a more severe socially challenged person, they have a picture of someone with droopy forehead massive in height eyes and a totally blank, slightly slow looking unattractive face. The linking of the 2 is quite making people have misconceptions of people with Aspergers.



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26 Oct 2014, 9:28 pm

I'd like to flush Autism Speaks down the toilet where it belongs.


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