Lack of affection in a relationship

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Thelibrarian
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07 Mar 2013, 1:11 pm

"Saying things that characterize the majority of men or women as "

I say the majority of murderers are men, and that ALL people who bear children are women. Does this factually true statement make me a "sexist"?

"What does occam's razor have to do with this?"

You accused me of oversimplifying matters. Occam's Razor states that the simplest plausible explanation for a given phenomenon is usually the best explanation, which is one of the assumptions upon which the scientific method is constructed. Science IS about simplifying matters.

"Human sexuality cannot be characterized using axioms or assumptions, with the exception of "Sex makes babies". You're not going to impress me with fancy words, give it up."

Again, why not?

"The position that "Men, in general, are less invested in emotional intimacy because they just want to spread their seed" is, as I've said, a reductionist view of a man's psyche. "

So, your position is that NO men want casual sex? Some men want casual sex? I think we can agree that ALL men don't want casual sex. Which is it?

If you continue to imply I'm unintelligent I'm not going to bother talking to you, it's really off-putting and tells me you're not going to listen to my opinion anyway.

Hey, you were the one who attacked me. And, no, I don't have any respect for opinions not supported by facts or reasoning.

You're essentially reducing the man into a biochemical bag of juices, who's only purpose is to leak some out, preferably into a woman.

I'm saying that ALL organisms, including women, are "biochemical bags of juices". Yes, my position is materialist, with materialism being another defining characteristic of the scientific method. What else is there to this equation that I'm missing? Are you advocating idealism?

I'm also not sure how my position precludes a "good sex life". Perhaps you could tell me.

It's not difficult to prove that men tend to value physical intimacy and women tend to value emotional intimacy. Playgirl magazine aside, women generally don't titillate themselves by looking at pictures of naked men, and men generally don't titillate themselves by reading romance novels. The problem with blinding one's self with a false ideology, such as Political Correctness, is that the obvious is ignored.

I say your idignation is moral since you haven't been able to provide any rational reasons for what you believe despite my repeated coaxing and requests. I still say your views are a matter of faith while mine are of science.



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07 Mar 2013, 1:16 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
It's not difficult to prove that men tend to value physical intimacy and women tend to value emotional intimacy. Playgirl magazine aside, women generally don't titillate themselves by looking at pictures of naked men...


All that yaoi fan art and manga all over says otherwise.



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07 Mar 2013, 1:17 pm

You're an pedantic fool and I feel sad for any woman who ends up with you.
I'm not wasting any more of my time. Anything I would write now has already been written, you haven't added anything new to the discussion other than irrelevant nit-picking details of "hurr you're not using science"
Sexuality is a category of the humanities, let's discuss Mathematics if you'd like to be so pragmatic.

I had to struggle to read further than

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ALL people who bear children are women. Does this factually true statement make me a "sexist"?

"Characterization" is not a statement of facts :roll:

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I'm also not sure how my position precludes a "good sex life". Perhaps you could tell me.
I'm sure you and your hand already know :lol:



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07 Mar 2013, 1:29 pm

mercifullyfree wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
It's not difficult to prove that men tend to value physical intimacy and women tend to value emotional intimacy. Playgirl magazine aside, women generally don't titillate themselves by looking at pictures of naked men...


All that yaoi fan art and manga all over says otherwise.


I've actually never heard of either, so I went to Wikipedia. Here is what it has to say about Manga:

"The medium includes works in a broad range of genres: action-adventure, romance, sports and games, historical drama, comedy, science fiction and fantasy, mystery, suspense, detective, horror, sexuality, and business/commerce, among others"

Here is what Wikipedia has to say on Yaoi:

"Yaoi,[nb 1] also known as Boys' Love, is a Japanese popular term for female-oriented fictional media that focus on homoerotic or homoromantic male androphilic sexual relationships, usually created by female authors."

This discussion concerns heterosexual relationships.

I'm not sure why you think you have shown that women value pornography as much as men do.



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07 Mar 2013, 1:32 pm

"You're an pedantic fool and I feel sad for any woman who ends up with you.
I'm not wasting any more of my time."

Again, I have afforded you every opportunity to explain why I'm wrong, and you have failed. And again, insults are the most graceless way of admitting you have lost the argument. Checkmate, comrade.



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07 Mar 2013, 1:37 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
"You're an pedantic fool and I feel sad for any woman who ends up with you.
I'm not wasting any more of my time."

Again, I have afforded you every opportunity to explain why I'm wrong, and you have failed. And again, insults are the most graceless way of admitting you have lost the argument. Checkmate, comrade.


You're talking about humans as fluid bags, there is no reason for me to continue a discussion of human affairs and sexuality with someone who holds such a view. It was never an argument anyway, no one's going to want to discuss with you if you're only concerned with putting forth your closed-minded views in a matter that involves opinion. Especially if you keep calling them an idiot throughout the entire conversation.

This is the first time I've "insulted" you. You are extremely pedantic, it's not really an insult... and I truly do feel sorry for any woman who ends up with a man who sees her as a "bag of fluid" and receptacle for his fluid. Good luck with that.

Pedantic, Presumptuous, Passive-Aggressive, Condescending, Sexist, Misogynistic. What a mix of fluids you are.

I'll let you get your thrill in feeling as though you've "checkmated" me, it will probably be the highlight of your week.



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07 Mar 2013, 1:39 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
Here is what Wikipedia has to say on Yaoi:

"Yaoi,[nb 1] also known as Boys' Love, is a Japanese popular term for female-oriented fictional media that focus on homoerotic or homoromantic male androphilic sexual relationships, usually created by female authors."

This discussion concerns heterosexual relationships.

I'm not sure why you think you have shown that women value pornography as much as men do.


Yaoi is pornography for women, consisting of pictures of naked guys doing each other.

Pornographic pictures.

Of naked guys.

For women.

ALL OVER THE INTERNET with passionate fangirl enthusiasm!

Just interested in the evolutionary psychologist explanation for this!

Sorry, this is probably a derail. I couldn't resist.



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07 Mar 2013, 1:41 pm

Yaoi is pornography for women, consisting of pictures of naked guys doing each other.

Pornographic pictures.

Of naked guys.

For women.

And you have evidence that this pornography for women is as popular and as lucrative as pornography aimed at men?

"Just interested in the evolutionary psychologist explanation for this!

"Sorry, this is probably a derail. I couldn't resist."
Whatever this stuff you like is, it is obscure. You have only shown that a few females like pornography, and not that it is as popular amongst women as it is among men. Or are you too so PC that you can't understand the difference between all, some, and none?

As far as "derailing" me, I would be delighted to be shown the logical error of my ways.



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07 Mar 2013, 1:43 pm

I've dated women who watch pornography, not the male-dominated "money shot" stuff, but pornography nonetheless.

You're argumentative for the sake of it, but whether or not women watch as much porn as men is irrelevant. Not all men watch porn, and not all woman even enjoy emotional intimacy.

People are different, deal with it. 8)



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07 Mar 2013, 1:58 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
And you have evidence that this pornography for women is as popular and as lucrative as pornography aimed at men?


Wouldn't say more lucrative, because a lot of it is made and distributed for free by enthusiasts, but I will add that the comic store here has an entire large shelf dedicated to the stuff. The owner is a smart businessman and wouldn't do that if it didn't sell.

My point was that there is a lot more out there than stuff like Playgirl and I think human sexuality is a lot more varied and stranger than evolutionary psychology can explain. A lot of that erotica that women read isn't about "romance" at all, by the way. It tends to be full on kinky smut, often with a lot of BDSM themes. It's amusing when men try to proclaim that women's sexuality is all about romance and roses.



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07 Mar 2013, 2:02 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
"Sorry, this is probably a derail. I couldn't resist."
Whatever this stuff you like is, it is obscure. You have only shown that a few females like pornography, and not that it is as popular amongst women as it is among men. Or are you too so PC that you can't understand the difference between all, some, and none?

As far as "derailing" me, I would be delighted to be shown the logical error of my ways.


He meant derailing the thread.
You're really not as smart as you think you are dude, and your constant need to one-up others is proof that you're insecure in your intelligence and abilities. I used to be the same way as a teenager when I thought I was a little genius atheist arguing with Christians.

If you had facilitated an environment for constructive conversation, I could have talked about the things I've learned in sexuality courses, my own studies into varying cultures' sexual practices and customs, and perhaps even some philosophical approaches to the subject... but you've made me never want to talk to you again.



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07 Mar 2013, 2:05 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
You have only shown that a few females like pornography...


Oh, it's way more than a few.... a lot more.



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07 Mar 2013, 2:07 pm

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I could have talked about the things I've learned in sexuality courses, my own studies into varying cultures' sexual practices and customs, and perhaps even some philosophical approaches to the subject....


This sounds good for a separate thread.



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07 Mar 2013, 2:13 pm

mercifullyfree wrote:
uwmonkdm wrote:
I could have talked about the things I've learned in sexuality courses, my own studies into varying cultures' sexual practices and customs, and perhaps even some philosophical approaches to the subject....


This sounds good for a separate thread.


I don't like starting threads just to discuss theories/ideas... this isn't really the place for it. I'll bring them up if it's helpful to someone :lol:



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07 Mar 2013, 2:21 pm

Come on guys, this wonderful lady has spilled her heart here and begged for help.

Why don't we think of her first: discuss our differences in private, or start a different thread?

This poor lady needs support and any advice for her dire situation. Please address her needs?



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07 Mar 2013, 2:22 pm

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Come on guys, this wonderful lady has spilled her heart here and begged for help.

Why don't we think of her first: discuss our differences in private, or start a different thread?

This poor lady needs support and any advice for her dire situation. Please address her needs?


I responded to the OP twice :P



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