Christians Debate: Was Jesus For Small Government?



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Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:32 pm

^^^ I think we've solved the mystery of where angry conservative douchebags come from...


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Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:42 pm

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^^^ I think we've solved the mystery of where angry conservative douchebags come from...


Secret congressional and senate matter transporters that occasionally malfunction?



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Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:07 pm

shrox wrote:
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^^^ I think we've solved the mystery of where angry conservative douchebags come from...


Secret congressional and senate matter transporters that occasionally malfunction?


Makes complete sense to me.

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Bishop Stephen Blaire, chairman of the Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), said that proposed budget cuts recently passed by the House of Representatives “failed to meet [the] moral criteria” set forth by the USCCB.

In four letters addressed to leaders of congressional committees, Bishop Blaire weighed in on several cuts to specific programs:

“The Catholic bishops urge you to protect funding for programs that serve poor and vulnerable people, such as Housing for the Elderly (Section 202) and People with Disabilities (Section 811), Housing for People with AIDS (HOPWA), Veterans Affairs Supported Housing (HUD-VASH), McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance, and Tenant- and Project-based Rental Assistance, as well as other programs that are vital to ensuring that vulnerable Americans have safe and affordable housing.”

“I also reiterate our concern with proposals to increase the minimum amount of rent that can be charged to families receiving housing assistance.”

“Cuts to nutrition programs such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) will hurt hungry children, poor families, vulnerable seniors and workers who cannot find employment. These cuts are unjustified and wrong. If cuts are necessary, the committee should first look towards reducing and targeting commodity and subsidy programs that disproportionately go to large growers and agribusiness.”

“The bishops’ conference urges you to resist significant cuts to both domestic and international food aid and conservation and rural development programs. Major reductions at this time of economic turmoil and rising poverty will hurt hungry, poor and vulnerable people in our nation and around the world.”


“The bishops’ conference supports farm safety net programs such as crop insurance and disaster assistance that are targeted to the needs of small to medium sized farmers and ranchers. Savings should be used to fund hunger and nutrition programs that serve people in need.”



Joined by Bishop Richard Pates, chairman of the USCCB’s International Committee on Justice and Peace, Bishop Blaire also emphasized the importance of six domestic programs (WIC, TEFAP, SNAP, CSFP, CSP, and VAPG) and four international programs (PL-480 Title II, Safe Box, Local and Regional Purchase, and 202e Funds).
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:11 pm

Joker wrote:
Jesus never stated anything about politics if anything he was apolitical.


He was for separation of Church and State. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.

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ruveyn wrote:
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Jesus never stated anything about politics if anything he was apolitical.


He was for separation of Church and State. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.

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Amen!

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVr2uks0C8[/youtube]


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Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:08 pm

I always got a disturbingly pro-authoritarian vibe from the NT. Christians are supposed to be forgiving, but also supposed to let the government be ruthless. What a perfect religion to control people with!



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Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:11 pm

Vigilans wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVr2uks0C8[/youtube]


I can remember when I was a little kid, and hearing older people call Jesus Christ Super Star blasphemous! Back in those days, more people than today thought rock was the music of the Devil.

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Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:48 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Joker wrote:
Jesus never stated anything about politics if anything he was apolitical.


He was for separation of Church and State. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.

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Amen!

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I will agree with that.



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Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:54 pm

Joker wrote:
Jesus never stated anything about politics if anything he was apolitical.


Agreed.

He wasn't one for having the government tell people what to do, but he was for people taking care of each other. He ask US to do that, He didn't really say HOW, so each person must decide for themselves how that goal translates in the modern system of government.

Too many people of faith solve the disconnect in their political goals by pretending there is no actual social need, and that is what bothers me. Debating how to most effectively support people in need - private or government - is a valid discussion, and the question is complicated. But to just say everyone for themselves - THAT is NOT Christian.


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Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:57 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Joker wrote:
Jesus never stated anything about politics if anything he was apolitical.


Agreed.

He wasn't one for having the government tell people what to do, but he was for people taking care of each other. He ask US to do that, He didn't really say HOW, so each person must decide for themselves how that goal translates in the modern system of government.

Too many people of faith solve the disconnect in their political goals by pretending there is no actual social need, and that is what bothers me. Debating how to most effectively support people in need - private or government - is a valid discussion, and the question is complicated. But to just say everyone for themselves - THAT is NOT Christian.


It certainly isn't Christian. We are our brother's (and sister's) keeper.

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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:48 pm

Was Jesus for offshore oil drilling?



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Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:04 am

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Was Jesus for offshore oil drilling?


I'm sure Republicans would tell you yes.

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Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:55 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Was Jesus for offshore oil drilling?


Of course he was:

And, lo and behold, Jesus opened the Earth, and from it burst forth pure liquid America "Taketh my children, and suffer not the liberal atheist muslims and their environmental agenda- Chodeinchians 5:13


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