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11 Jul 2012, 9:34 am

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Yeah but it goes on case. I bet 98% of people with ASPD have committed a crime, big or small. If you're probably getting into fights all the time, and assault/aggressiveness, it's still a crime.
Of all the people I've spoke to with ASPD, one breeds dogs illegally (she kills any that aren't "perfect", like have a different marking to the one preferred by the buyer and such, and she's now in jail) another has raped, another tortures cats and kills cats, and another has set a house on fire. The rest have done as I've said above, just always getting into fights and stealing and such.


So because you saw Four people with ASPD all people with that disorder are super bad? A lot of sick people rape cats and kill them ect....
I also find it hard to believe that you really knew they had ASPD.


I find it really hard to believe you don't know anyone with ASPD.

They all had ASPD, I can assure you. I don't have anything to prove to you, as a stranger on the internet.



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11 Jul 2012, 9:38 am

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Yeah but it goes on case. I bet 98% of people with ASPD have committed a crime, big or small. If you're probably getting into fights all the time, and assault/aggressiveness, it's still a crime.
Of all the people I've spoke to with ASPD, one breeds dogs illegally (she kills any that aren't "perfect", like have a different marking to the one preferred by the buyer and such, and she's now in jail) another has raped, another tortures cats and kills cats, and another has set a house on fire. The rest have done as I've said above, just always getting into fights and stealing and such.


So because you saw Four people with ASPD all people with that disorder are super bad? A lot of sick people rape cats and kill them ect....
I also find it hard to believe that you really knew they had ASPD.


I find it really hard to believe you don't know anyone with ASPD.

They all had ASPD, I can assure you. I don't have anything to prove to you, as a stranger on the internet.


Ok great 4 people...


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11 Jul 2012, 10:10 am

This whole thread is a giggle.

Really? Are you that in the clouds?



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11 Jul 2012, 10:28 am

MightyMorphin wrote:
This whole thread is a giggle.

Really? Are you that in the clouds?


I don't even.. Ok well it's not you but just me. Dont understand what you meant but what ever. Ok well it seems me and you have been talking about this to each other a little. I think we should let other people post now. I'm gonna just let other people post.

Also I wanna know what even Alex the founder of wrong planet thinks of this. What ever he says must count a lot...


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11 Jul 2012, 10:44 am

There are never clear cuts in the diagnoses and you can hardly say: "all people with ASPD are criminals" or "all people with SPD don't care about others" or "All people with BPD feel empty inside". Those generalizations aren't helping to understand a person with a certain diagnoses.
Espessially the personality disorders are more or less constructs. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Where you just gather together all the people who show a certain behavior out of different reasons.

There are at least 5 suptypes of people with ASPD:
1) Nomadic (schizoid, avoidant features)
2) Malevolent (sadistic, paranoid features)
3) Coventous (variant of "pure" pattern)
4) Risk-Taking (histrionic features)
5) Reputation-Defending (narcissistic features)

You can look it up here: Personality Subtypes


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11 Jul 2012, 1:43 pm

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There are never clear cuts in the diagnoses and you can hardly say: "all people with ASPD are criminals" or "all people with SPD don't care about others" or "All people with BPD feel empty inside". Those generalizations aren't helping to understand a person with a certain diagnoses.
Espessially the personality disorders are more or less constructs. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Where you just gather together all the people who show a certain behavior out of different reasons.

There are at least 5 suptypes of people with ASPD:
1) Nomadic (schizoid, avoidant features)
2) Malevolent (sadistic, paranoid features)
3) Coventous (variant of "pure" pattern)
4) Risk-Taking (histrionic features)
5) Reputation-Defending (narcissistic features)

Wow. Nice point :D



You can look it up here: Personality Subtypes


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16 Jul 2012, 3:55 am

There are still researching psychopaths and finding out how their created and what makes them tick and what the solution your offering the imperialist police state mind set through them in cages or euthanize them, With that type of thinking why not just start locking away and killing any one with any mental disorder traits, All i know is who ever controls currency and prints it can control what happens on earth and all they are writing and talking about is overpopulation and how we should do it for the earth, I can see it selling well :salut:



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16 Jul 2012, 7:57 am

I have had confrontations with at least two psychopaths in my life. One of them is currently in prison and will likely be back again once he gets out. The other has been good at staying out of prison but the way he is I think he's bound to end up there if he doesn't choose to change his general philosophy of life.


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16 Jul 2012, 10:48 am

My biological father was diagnosed as a psychopath and I try to stay far away. He's extremely manipulative and downright evil. Of all the irresponsible things that my mother ever did, the most irresponsible was encouraging me to start writing letters to that guy as a kid. He is warped - that is the one word I can use to describe him. Warped.

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I have had confrontations with at least two psychopaths in my life. One of them is currently in prison and will likely be back again once he gets out. The other has been good at staying out of prison but the way he is I think he's bound to end up there if he doesn't choose to change his general philosophy of life.


8O Um, coming back?! For you?! Around the house?! Why didn't you tell me about this? Well, let me guess - so I wouldn't worry like I am now but.... :( I can't help it!


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17 Jul 2012, 1:19 am

I didn't mean it like he was coming back for me! He's in another part of the country. He also has such a bad wrap with authorities that it's hard for him to get away with things anymore. But I don't associate with him and never will again.


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17 Jul 2012, 8:35 am

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I didn't mean it like he was coming back for me! He's in another part of the country. He also has such a bad wrap with authorities that it's hard for him to get away with things anymore. But I don't associate with him and never will again.


I feel better! I was scared for you when I didn't know the whole story.


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18 Jul 2012, 1:30 pm

Hi Runedk,

You made an excellent point there about the three groups. What do you personally feel is the difference between autistics and sociopaths?


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I don't believe sociopathy/psychopathy is a mental illness. A man once said to me that psychopathy is the opposite of autism. Since then I have been dividing people into three groups: Autistics, Neuro-Typicals and Psychopaths.

They do indeed not have an understanding of morals and lack sympathy. They can empathize, but not sympathize. That is how they can skillfully manipulate others; they understand to some extend, but dont care about your wellbeing at all. So once you cross them in any way, you will be the target of their wrath. As I have been stalked for more than 7 years I learned this the hard way.

from wikipedias site on empathy:

Empathy is the capacity to recognize feelings that are being experienced by another sentient or semi-sentient being.
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Empathy is distinct from sympathy, pity, and emotional contagion. Sympathy or empathic concern is the feeling of compassion or concern for another, the wish to see them better off or happier. Pity is feeling that another is in trouble and in need of help as they cannot fix their problems themselves, often described as "feeling sorry" for someone. Emotional contagion is when a person (especially an infant or a member of a mob) imitatively "catches" the emotions that others are showing without necessarily recognizing this is happening.


As a side note it is my understanding that both sociopathy and psychopathy are outdated words no longer used my mental health professionals. One of the terms used is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Others are anti-social, histronic and borderline.



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20 Jul 2012, 2:04 am

whydoyouask wrote:
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Yeah but it goes on case. I bet 98% of people with ASPD have committed a crime, big or small. If you're probably getting into fights all the time, and assault/aggressiveness, it's still a crime.
Of all the people I've spoke to with ASPD, one breeds dogs illegally (she kills any that aren't "perfect", like have a different marking to the one preferred by the buyer and such, and she's now in jail) another has raped, another tortures cats and kills cats, and another has set a house on fire. The rest have done as I've said above, just always getting into fights and stealing and such.


So because you saw Four people with ASPD all people with that disorder are super bad? A lot of sick people rape cats and kill them ect....
I also find it hard to believe that you really knew they had ASPD.


There's a lot of misinformation about ASPD and psychopathy on this thread, specifically how they relate to each other. ASPD is not psychopathy or sociopathy. It is diagnosed strictly on the basis of criminal tendencies. Psychopathy, as described and defined by Robert Hare and others does not require criminal behavior, nor does that definition rely on observing specific behaviors.

Many people diagnosed with ASPD are psychopaths, but not all. Many psychopaths meet the criteria for ASPD, but not all.

Also, narcissistic personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, and borderline personality disorder are not variations on psychopathy nor on ASPD. HPD and NPD can include a lack of affective empathy, but it is not a core feature as it is with psychopathy. BPD actually tends to feature hypersensitive affective empathy.

This link may help with establishing the distinctions between ASPD and psychopathy:

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/dsm-iv/ ... 0168/54831

It's written by Dr. Robert Hare, who's been studying psychopathy for over four decades now.



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20 Jul 2012, 2:06 am

LadybugS wrote:
My biological father was diagnosed as a psychopath and I try to stay far away. He's extremely manipulative and downright evil. Of all the irresponsible things that my mother ever did, the most irresponsible was encouraging me to start writing letters to that guy as a kid. He is warped - that is the one word I can use to describe him. Warped.


My legal, but thankfully not biological father is a psychopath. I have a handful of family members who want me to be willing to see him, but I have no desire to see him ever again. Except maybe at his funeral to spit on him.



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20 Jul 2012, 8:23 am

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My legal, but thankfully not biological father is a psychopath. I have a handful of family members who want me to be willing to see him, but I have no desire to see him ever again. Except maybe at his funeral to spit on him.


Then put your foot down and absolutely do not let them interfere... It's for the best that you don't interact with him! I wish (even though I was a kid at the time) that I had stood up to my mother and said, "It's insane to encourage any kind of a relationship with this person". I suffered from his mind games for years after that.


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